Given what happened re the OUAT cast, who thinks we need a specific category for the fantasy genre?

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  • 221BSam
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    #252271

    I’ve visited this board a little previously, mostly to watch the great interviews they have on here; but after the Primetime Emmys got announced this year I felt compelled to voice how annoyed I was that no one from my favourite show~ Once Upon A Time even got nominated. The cast are all wonderful but, the way Robert Carlyle especially portrays Rumplestiltskin is nothing short of masterful, not to mention the fact he’s playing two characters. Gold Derby themselves have given Robert praise for this role. Not forgetting of course that the writing is superb, saw an interview that a reporter did with Jane Espenson at Comic Con & was shocked to learn she has never won an award for her writing?! as someone who grew up on Buffy, I ask how is this possible? interested to know how others feel on this.

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    Andrew Eng
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    I don’t think we need specific categories for sci-fi/fantasy. Not only does that encourage the “everyone gets a trophy” mentality, you would also have to create categories for other genres as well. And there’s a chance that the bad sci-fi/fantasy programs get in because of this expansion. At least the sci-fi/fantasy programs that do get in now are usually good and stand out, due to the voters being picky. The X-Files, Lost, and Game of Thrones have succeeded in major categories in the last 20 years, showing that at least some voters support these kinds of programs. I do wish OUAT had gotten some recognition, but right now, Game of Thrones seems to be taking the fantasy slot at the Emmys, and if I have pick between the two, I pick GoT. 

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    I also think they should keep things as is. For the most part it’ll keep the contenders strong and not dilute things. Especially in years where there are not worthy candidates and so they are scraping to just fill the category with nominees.

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    221BSam
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    I see your point, it just seems strange to me to have Al Quaeda (Homeland) up against the Evil Queen (OUAT) the two shows are worlds apart quite literally, I started watching GOT, I didn’t care for it, too much gratuitious sex & violence for my liking but, each to their own. Anyway I digress, at least a show like that shares some of the qualities of things like Homeland, the adult content & material, as did ‘Lost’ & ‘the X files’, many of the OUAT watchers are much younger given the 8pm slot ABC has given it, it may not have been their original target demographic but that is certainly what they have. I’m an adult who loves the show but perhaps this needs to be taken into consideration was my point.

    Interestingly the AP agrees with me: “what about other breakout hits last season such as ABC’s fairytale ‘Once Upon A time,’ why was Emmy blind to the spell cast by any of the ‘Once Upon A Time’ ensemble? (paraphrased quote)

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    No I wouldn’t want a fantasy genre either just because the Emmy throphies would be less worth in my opinion then… for that I think are other Award shows like the People’s Choice Awards who honour shows in individual categories or the Academy of Science Fiction, Horror and Fantasy Films. I mean after all it’s not like fantasy shows don’t get honoured at all at the Emmys… just look at Game Of Thrones or Lost for exampe.

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    The more categories there are, the less an Emmy is worth. And giving sci-fi/fantasy its own category will only serve to ghettoize those programs. By separating them, you’re essentially saying they don’t have a chance against implicity better and more serious dramas. It would be a consolation prize.

    I do wish more good sci-fi shows would be recognized (though, based on the three episodes of “Once Upon a Time” I saw, it’s not one of them), but they often get in.

    Looking back at the last 20 years or so, there’s often 1 sci-fi or fantasy show up for Best Drama, but never two. “Quantum Leap” for a few years. “Star Trek: TNG” once. Then “The X-Files.” Some years later “Joan of Arcadia” got in.  The next year “Lost” debuted. Then “Heroes got in when “Lost” was snubbed. Then “Lost” came back. And then “Lost” ended and “Game of Thrones” occupied its slot.

    I wonder if there’s a contingent in the TV Academy that likes genre shows, and there are enough of them to get a show in, but never two. If “Battlestar Galactica” didn’t have “Lost” to contend against, I wonder if it might have gotten in.

    One exception: 2010, when both “Lost” and “True Blood” managed to sneak in. 

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    You need to have (but won’t) Emmy voters having an open mind towards other genres than just those that exist on premium cable shows.  I’m more concerned with the near-blackballing of network dramas this year when clearly there were contenders on the four broadcast outlets (NCIS, Good Wife, Body of Proof, Ringer, Once Upon a Time, etc).

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    #252279

    So OUAT is a fantasy? I LOVE good fantasies and didnt know about this one. So, what happened to the cast? Were they snubbed by Emmy? Well what else is new?
    Then again, Game of Thrones is fantasy, and a terrific one!

    I’ll do a search and see if it’s playing. On which network btw?

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    24Emmy
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    ABC

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    Seeing as there has been at least one science fiction or fantasy show in Drama Series in each of the past six years and seven out of the last eight (Lost in 05, 08, 09 and 10, Heroes in 07, True Blood in 10 and Game of Thrones in 11 and 12) I would say no.

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    ABC

    Why thank you 24Emmy.

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    #252283

    Paul, do you seriously think Body of Proof was worthy? Did you actually watch it? I did, and I thought it was fun but it was nowhere near being good.

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    #252284

    I enjoyed OuaT as much as the next person, but let’s get real here for a second, it was hardly Emmy worthy. No way should there be a fantasy category; that would cheapen the awards.

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    221BSam
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    Ok, ok, I guess I’m alone on this 😉
    Interesting to read all the feedback though…

    I enjoyed OuaT as much as the next person, but let’s get real here for a second, it was hardly Emmy worthy. No way should there be a fantasy category; that would cheapen the awards.

    I do, for the writing if nothing else (former Lost writers) I personally find ‘The Good Wife’ extremely over rated, yet it’s always there in the drama category.

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    #252286

    And I find The Good Wife to be the best drama on network television and I found the pilot of OUAT to be cheesy. Since TGW got snubbed this year, that doesn’t mean I think there should be a law category at the Emmys. That is a genre, so why can’t it have it’s own.

    This is the argument you would have if one genre got its own categories. The rest would want one too.

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