October 5, 2012 at 4:46 am #262706
Hey, guys! I was wondering if I could make a request for some help before Sunday. Anyone playing the Emmy game might know that I’m currently a network, and that I have to send in the categories I want considered by Sunday. After seeing problemdog’s thread regarding The Wire, I couldn’t help but think that it might be beneficial to gauge any opinions on the shows that I’m presiding over.
The four programs I have are:
All in the Family
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Although I’m doing my best to scour through the programming to best come to my own conclusions, I was wondering if anyone had any input on some of the better episodes of each show (for the first seasons anyways, at least for this round). If anyone had any specific guest stars that stood out to them or certain episode suggestions for the actors, directors or writers, it would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks so much!October 5, 2012 at 5:11 am #262708
Don’t you think the whole point of the game is what YOU would consider the best episode?October 5, 2012 at 5:36 am #262709
Yeah, yeah . Sometimes, though, a second opinion can really help, especially in highlighting something you might miss your first time running through things.October 6, 2012 at 10:28 pm #262710
All right, so here’s what I’m thinking currently:
-Tape A: “Like Father, Like Daughter” and “Alex Tastes Death and Finds a Nice Restaurant”
-Tape B: “Memories of Cab 804: Part 1” and “Elaine and the Lame Duck”
-Tape C: “Bobby’s Big Break” and “Louie Sees the Light”
-Judd Hirsch for “Like Father, Like Daughter”
-Jeff Conaway for “High School Reunion”
-Tony Danza for “Men are Such Beasts”
-Danny DeVito for “Louie Sees the Light”
-Andy Kaufman for “Paper Marriage”
-Marilu Henner for “Come as You Aren’t”
-Christopher Lloyd for “Paper Marriage”
-Jeffrey Tambor for “Elaine and the Lame Duck”
-Ruth Gordon for “Sugar Mama”
-“Elaine and the Lame Duck” by Glen Charles and Les Charles
-“Like Father, Like Daughter” by James L. Brooks, Stan Daniels, David Davis and Ed. Weinberger
-“Bobby’s Big Break” by James Burrows
-“Like Father, Like Daughter” by James Burrows
-“Louie Sees the Light” by James BurrowsOctober 6, 2012 at 10:35 pm #262711
All in the Family:
-Tape A: “Meet the Bunkers” and “Archie Gives Blood”
-Tape B: “Judging Books by Covers” and “Success Story”
-Tape C: “Lionel Moves Into the Neighborhood” and “The First and Last Supper”
-Carroll O’Connor for “Archie Gives Blood”
-Jean Stapleton for “Edith Has Jury Duty”
-Rob Reiner for “Success Story”
-Sally Struthers for “Gloria Has a Belly Full”
-Mike Evans for “Archie Gives Blood”
-Mel Stewart for “The First and Last Supper”
-William Windom for “Success Story”
-Isabel Sanford for “Lionel Moves Into the Neighborhood”
-“Archie Gives Blood” by Norman Lear
-“The First and Last Supper” by Jerry Mayer
-“Judging Books By Covers” by John Rich
-“Meet the Bunkers” by John RichOctober 6, 2012 at 10:43 pm #262712
Buffy the Vampire Slayer:
-Tape A: “Welcome to the Hellmouth” and “The Harvest”
-Tape B: “The Pack” and “Angel”
-Tape C: “Nightmares” and “Prophecy Girl”
-Sarah Michelle Gellar for “Welcome to the Hellmouth”/”The Harvest”
– Nicholas Brendon for “The Pack”
-Anthony Stewart Head for “Prophecy Girl”
-Charisma Carpenter for “Out of Mind, Out of Sight”
-Alyson Hannigan for “The Pack”
-Mark Metcalf for “Prophecy Girl”
-Armin Shimerman for “The Puppet Show”
-Julie Benz for “Angel”
-Kristine Sutherland for “Witch”
“Welcome to the Hellmouth”/”The Harvest” by Joss Whedon
“Welcome to the Hellmouth”/”The Harvest” by Joss Whedon
“Prophecy Girl” by Joss Whedon
October 6, 2012 at 10:51 pm #262713
-Tape A: “Serenity”
-Tape B: “Out of Gas” and “War Stories”
-Tape C: “Ariel” and “Objects in Space”
-Nathan Fillion for “Serenity”
-Adam Baldwin for “Jaynestown”
-Sean Maher for “Ariel”
-Alan Tudyk for “War Stories”
-Morena Baccarin for “Heart of Gold”
-Summer Glau for “Objects in Space”
-Jewel Staite for “Shindig”
-Gina Torres for “War Stories”
-Richard Brooks for “Objects in Space”
-Michael Fairman for “War Stories”
-Mark Sheppard for “Shindig”
-Jonathan M. Woodward for “The Message”
-Melinda Clarke for “Heart of Gold”
-Christina Hendricks for “Our Mrs. Reynolds”
“Out of Gas” by Tim Minear
“Serenity” by Joss Whedon
“Serenity” by Joss WhedonOctober 6, 2012 at 10:55 pm #262714
Thoughts? Suggestions?October 7, 2012 at 7:10 am #262715
As for Firefly :
– Series : I think it’s good to have a mix of light and heavy episodes in your tapes, so I would go :
Tape A : “Serenity”
Tape B : “Our Mrs. Reynolds” and “Out of Gas”
Tape C : “Jaynestown” and “Objects in Space”
It pains me not to include “Bushwacked” and “Ariel” but the only one of those I would consider switching would be “Our Mrs. Reynolds”.
– Lead Actor (Nathan Fillion) : Either “Serenity” or “Out of Gas”. Serenity is longer, so that makes sense.
– Supporting Actors : I agree with all your choices there.
– Supporting Actress (Morena Baccarin) : I’d go with “Shindig” over “Heart of Gold”. The latter is pretty terrible overall, even though Bacarin’s ok in it. At least “Shindig” is a pretty enjoyable episode.
– Other supporting actresses : yep, agreed.
– Writing : I would replace “Serenity” with “Objects in Space”. The pilot is good, don’t get me wrong, but “Objects in Space” is great.
– Directing. I would add “Objects in Space” as well.
As for Buffy, I’d go with “Nightmares” for Sarah Michelle Gellar, or maybe “Prohpecy Girl”. She was fine in the pilot, but she got much better by the end of the season.
October 7, 2012 at 8:03 am #262716
Thanks so much, Teproc! It seems like we’re thinking roughly on the same wavelength, as a lot of your suggestions were ones I was closely considering.
Series: The mix of light and heavy is a good point. “Objects in Space” and “Out of Gas” are the two best episodes, IMO, so I knew I’d have to include them. “Ariel” seemed to set a nice little duology with the former, and “Trash Stories” is generally considered one of the better episodes as well, but I considered “Jaynestown” and “Our Mrs. Reynolds” as my immediate alternates. Now, though, I think you raise a superior case.
Lead Actor: “Out of Gas” was definitely my 2nd choices (although every episode does at least an OK job at highlighting Malcolm Reynolds). “Serenity” seems to set up his character quite well, though, especially when one contrasts the scenes in the warzone with the way he acts around Book.
Supporting Actor: “Ariel” seemed like it would’ve made a good tape for Adam Baldwin too, watching his scenes at the end again. However, “Jaynestown” proved to good to ignore. Shame I couldn’t bring myself to submit Ron Glass, but he never had an episode that really gave him enough to do (aside from offer some rather funny one-liners and expressions).
Supporting Actress: Baccarin is an interesting case. She’s the center-piece of “Shindig”, yet also takes charge in organizing quite a bit of “Heart of “Gold” (which I admit is one of Firefly’s weaker episodes, but does feature a crying scene for her). I want to say that I best enjoyed Baccarin’s performance in “Our Mrs. Reynolds”, if anything because the excuses she tries to make for why she was unconscious were pretty funny. “Shindig” might be a good switch, though.
Writing: Good point. Again, they are the best episodes.
Directing: Strongly considering that.
Also good points. Any opinion on Anthony Stewart Head and Alyson Hannigan? They’re a bit more difficult to discern in Season 1. I couldn’t find much for Hannigan to choose from (“I Robot, You Jane” is one of the worst Buffy episodes), and “The Pack” does offer her that confrontation with Xander near the climax, but it is more of a Xander episode. Head was good in “Puppet Show”, I thought, but he did get to be a bit more emotional in the season finale.
Again, really appreciate the help.October 7, 2012 at 9:46 am #262717
Yeah, the thing with Buffy season 1 is that you have to try and hide the very bad episodes, which is roughly half the season. That’s why I agree with you that “Prophecy Girl” is probably the best tape for Head, even though he has more screentime in “I Robot, You Jane”.
Alyson Hannigan just doesn’t get that much to do in season 1. Her few good scenes are with Xander, so “The Pack” makes sense to me (even though I hate that episode). On that note, I would have “Out Of Mind, Out of Sight” rather than “The Pack” in the series tape, but I seem to be somewhat alone in my hatred for “The Pack”, so you may be right. And “Angel” could be considered for Writing as well. That or “Nightmares” seems better to me than the pilot.
Adam Baldwin is very good in “Ariel” but… “Jaynestown” is all about him, and he gets good dramatic material at the end of that as well. If Glass had a submission, it would probably be “Our Mister’s Reynolds”. There’s the “special kind of hell” line, and a few other scenes, including one which hints at his mysterious background. It’s that or “Jaynestown”, which has all the Bible talk with River. But yeah, those aren’t great choices.
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