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  • Bradley Weir
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    The Emmy voters are known for their bizarre decisions and choices, but none moreso this year than the hugely popular Thrones episode “Hardhome” not making it into directing, however “Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken”, an episode that proved controversial and disliked by a lot of people, did make it in.

    This proves that some of these voters didn’t watch Game of Thrones. When going through their ballot, they ticked their favourites then thought, “Right, I’ll need a GoT nomination here because they’re popular, I’ll pick this one.”

    I can’t possibly imagine any Game of Thrones fan watching Unbowed, and thinking, “Yep, I’m voting for it” but the buzz for Hardhome was tremendous.

    This is one of the reasons I don’t buy Game of Thrones winning drama series. It’s a bizarre nomination that proves voters only voted for it because they felt it was a neccesity to put a Thrones episode in best direction.

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    Halo_Insider
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    You could argue that Peter Dinklage’s and Emilia Clarke’s nominations support that theory, though I don’t think it’s enough to convince me that Game of Thrones isn’t winning Drama Series.

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    Halo_Insider
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    You could argue that Peter Dinklage’s and Emilia Clarke’s nominations support that theory, though I don’t think it’s enough to convince me that Game of Thrones isn’t winning Drama Series.

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    Halo_Insider
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    You could argue that Peter Dinklage’s and Emilia Clarke’s nominations support that theory, though I don’t think it’s enough to convince me that Game of Thrones isn’t winning Drama Series.

     

    EDIT: Whoops. Didn’t mean to post that too many times. The damn page froze up on me, and I clicked resend.

     

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    Rooney Moore
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    Just like they didn’t like Breaking Bad last year when they snubbed Ozymandias for Directing?

    Let me tell you the details, sweetheart.

    As much as we are putting too much weigh on these voters, they don’t care this ”awarding the best” system like we do. And also these are people who votes for people. These are people who are friends with other people on the ballot. And they don’t have any responsibility for their choices .TV Academy allows them to do vote for anything they want to vote for, and  that’s what they do.

    Here’s the story:
    The voters who watched and liked Game of Thrones has probably voted for all episodes there is eligible.(There were only three on the ballot; Unbowed, Hardhome and Mercy.) Because it is one of the best directed shows on the air. And don’t that backlash about Unbowed is seriously, everyone criticized the shows use of womens and rape as a shock value, simply everyone blamed the writing. No one didn’t think wedding sequence or trial scene was poorly executed.
    Otherwise HBO would have submitted any one of other episodes from that season. Or Podeswa just would have submitted the other episode that he directed, ”Kill the Boy”.

    And then, here comes the tricky part: Some of the voters who haven’t watched or liked Game of Thrones name-checked their friends Jeremy Podeswa and David Nutter, but no one name-checked Miguel Sapochnik because they don’t know him. And that made Sapochnik drag behind these two.

    And then as the result; the big names prevailed, the one with less recognition has been dropped as always.
    But I can assure you, if there’s so much support for this show from Directing branch, Sapochnik couldn’t have been far behind for a nomination. He was probably at 8th or 9th spot at worst.

    This kind of things always happens in nearly every category in nearly every award show. Acting, Directing, Writing you name it. Even in the most popular shows/movies that everyone watches, the good actor with the name recognition always gets in ahead of better actor with no name recognition.
    Was ”From A to B and Back Again” the best directed episode of Homeland in Season 4? No. But it was the best directed episode with the big name behind it. Did directors also hate Homeland because they snubbed ”There’s Something Else Going On”?

    We can’t say both of GoT’s nominations in directing category was a direct result of name-check though, because Nutter has also directed episodes in season 2 and season 3 (including the shows probably most popular episode The Rains of Castamere which earned him a DGA nom) and has been criminally snubbed in past. So some things must have changed since then in the ATAS.

    People can vote for their friends, people can vote for shows that their friends are working, people can even vote for one show just because it has some pretty chicks in it. But let alone Emmy voters, no one on earth would vote for a show that they don’t watch just because it’s popular. What can kind of fcking logic is this? The quite opposite, if I were a voter and there were that very buzzy show going around all media that I don’t watch or enjoy I would especially ignore it, because I would have thought it doesn’t deserve the acclaim it gets, and already too many people will vote for it anyway.

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    Deniz Sisman
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    Going with OP’s amazing logic, we should also assume;

    Voters didn’t watch House of Cards because they voted for Reg E.Cathey’s cameo over Lars Mikkelsen.
    Voters didn’t watch Orange Is the New Black because they voted for Uzo Aduba over nearly entire cast including Toussaint, Stone,Brooks and Wiley.
    Voters didn’t watch Mad Men because they voted for Christina Hendricks over January Jones.
    Voters didn’t watch Homeland because they have chosen A to B as the best directed episode of the season and snubbed Patinkin in his best season.
    Voters didn’t watch Downton Abbey because they voted for Joanne Froggatt over Maggie Smith, just after she had some really meaty material and actually you know what, they have never watched this show from the beginning because they always keep nominating Jim Carter over any male performer in that show.

    So that leaves us with… Better Call Saul winning Drama series. Wow. I should change my predictions as fast as possible. Thanks for the information.

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    WaltEagle
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    I don’t think it’s a huge deal, but it’s admittedly a slight that is relevant to the case against Game of Thrones winning.

    Also, “Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken” is probably the worst of all 50 episodes.

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    Deniz Sisman
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    Can someone explain to me why directors who have voted for Sansa’s Rape over Mad Men’s historic finale would suddenly change their minds and go for Mad Men in the final round of voting?(Considering it is the only show that could upset Game of Thrones, after this point.) Is there any logic behind that? The fact that they have been nominated for an episode that was considered to be ”the worst one in their history” gets in over the finale of one of only 4 Dramas in Emmy history that has won 4 Bes Drama, just stiffens their cases of winning the big prize this year.

    And it’s not like Jeremy Podeswa is some kind of big Holywood name that no one can’t resist even if he directs trash. He has been snubbed three times for Boardwalk Empire, but just after he moves to the GoT, he snags a nomination. That should show you to respect and support for that show, and nothing more.

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    Bradley Weir
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    I assumed the directors names were hidden on the ballot like the writers, but it appears thats not the case. That explains a lot, especially with Podeswa being a 3-time-nominee and Sapochnik is less well known. Such a shame, two completely different episodes in terms of quality and popularity.

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    Daniel Montgomery
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    I agree with the consensus here that the snub of “Hardhome” doesn’t necessarily mean anything. “Ozymandias” is a good example. To almost everyone who watched the last season of “Breaking Bad” that was obviously the best episode, but the Emmys didn’t nominate it for directing. They nominated the finale instead, which was great, but I don’t think many people thought it was at the level of “Ozymandias.” They probably did that because more people in the directors branch wanted to acknwoledge Vince Gilligan over Rian Johnson. Didn’t mean they weren’t watching “Breaking Bad” or didn’t like it.

    This stuff happens with every popular show at the Emmys. They pick episodes or performances often that seem totally out of whack (see also: Scott Bacula over Rob Lowe for “Behind the Candelabra”). But that doesn’t necessarily reflect a lack of affection from the TV academy. It just means they’re not always paying close attention, especially when they’re heaping tons of nominations on a show.

    I don’t think “Game of Thrones” is a lock, but the fact that it got two directing nominations (compared to zero for “Mad Men,” “House of Cards,” “Downton Abbey,” “Better Call Saul,” and “Orange is the New Black”) is a more significant reflection of its strength than the fact that one of those nominations was for the “wrong” episode.

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    hopefully

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    Lord Freddy Blackfyre
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    UUU is really good episode minus the Dorne scene. this episode is also nominate for Production Design and Cinematography. Miguel Sapochnik was a victim of his lack of fame and his absent is not prove of lack of support but o how close was GOT of having three nods in Directing.

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    espnfan
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    Just like they didn’t like Breaking Bad last year when they snubbed Ozymandias for Directing?

    Let me tell you the details, sweetheart.

    As much as we are putting too much weigh on these voters, they don’t care this ”awarding the best” system like we do. And also these are people who votes for people. These are people who are friends with other people on the ballot. And they don’t have any responsibility for their choices .TV Academy allows them to do vote for anything they want to vote for, and  that’s what they do.

    Here’s the story:
    The voters who watched and liked Game of Thrones has probably voted for all episodes there is eligible.(There were only three on the ballot; Unbowed, Hardhome and Mercy.) Because it is one of the best directed shows on the air. And don’t that backlash about Unbowed is seriously, everyone criticized the shows use of womens and rape as a shock value, simply everyone blamed the writing. No one didn’t think wedding sequence or trial scene was poorly executed.
    Otherwise HBO would have submitted any one of other episodes from that season. Or Podeswa just would have submitted the other episode that he directed, ”Kill the Boy”.

    And then, here comes the tricky part: Some of the voters who haven’t watched or liked Game of Thrones name-checked their friends Jeremy Podeswa and David Nutter, but no one name-checked Miguel Sapochnik because they don’t know him. And that made Sapochnik drag behind these two.

    And then as the result; the big names prevailed, the one with less recognition has been dropped as always.
    But I can assure you, if there’s so much support for this show from Directing branch, Sapochnik couldn’t have been far behind for a nomination. He was probably at 8th or 9th spot at worst.

    This kind of things always happens in nearly every category in nearly every award show. Acting, Directing, Writing you name it. Even in the most popular shows/movies that everyone watches, the good actor with the name recognition always gets in ahead of better actor with no name recognition.
    Was ”From A to B and Back Again” the best directed episode of Homeland in Season 4? No. But it was the best directed episode with the big name behind it. Did directors also hate Homeland because they snubbed ”There’s Something Else Going On”?

    We can’t say both of GoT’s nominations in directing category was a direct result of name-check though, because Nutter has also directed episodes in season 2 and season 3 (including the shows probably most popular episode The Rains of Castamere which earned him a DGA nom) and has been criminally snubbed in past. So some things must have changed since then in the ATAS.

    People can vote for their friends, people can vote for shows that their friends are working, people can even vote for one show just because it has some pretty chicks in it. But let alone Emmy voters, no one on earth would vote for a show that they don’t watch just because it’s popular. What can kind of fcking logic is this? The quite opposite, if I were a voter and there were that very buzzy show going around all media that I don’t watch or enjoy I would especially ignore it, because I would have thought it doesn’t deserve the acclaim it gets, and already too many people will vote for it anyway.

    Your posts and logic are almost always hard to follow and understand and the above bolded part is a perfect example of this.  I have no idea what is going through your head half the time you are writing and rambling on in your posts.  I honestly sometimes wonder if you were dropped on your head at some point and have brain damage, as your posts and complete lack of logic and awareness make a strong case for that to be true.  Not to mention your posts and statements are often all over the place and rarely ever make sense and often contradict eachother.

    If you think voters do not vote for shows because they are popular without watching them, than you are sadly mistaken.  You are actually dead wrong in that sentiment.  I think everyone else here realizes and accepts that voters often name check both shows and actors, sight unseen, all the time.  If you think everyone in the academy is watching everything they are nominating, then you are either awfully foolish or naive.  Or just plain ignorant.  It is very common for voters to check off shows and actors because they are popular, and for no other reason.

    If all the voters who voted for Game of Thrones in directing had actually watched the submitted episodes, there is no way in the world that “Hardhome” gets left off of the ballot.  Nominations like these are actually pretty strong evidence that voters most likely just checked off something without actually seeing it.

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    Sure I would nominate both Hardhome and Mother’s Mercy for directing if I was a voter, but UUU is in my top 4. Sure the end was a completely uneccesary necessity but it was crafted with skill. Showing emotion in Theon with a slight close up and not showing the brutality. Directing Sophie Turner to greatness. If there was a best episodic performance she would be a competitive nominee. So I see why people voted for this. Yes, they watched Game of Thrones. That’s why Lena Headey got a nomination when she had buzz at the very last minute when many were beginning to discount her. That’s why it has the most Emmy nominations in years. If everything was based on popularity then Glee would have led the nominations for its first three seasons. Grey’s Anatomy would have been nominated for best drama for its first 8 seasons. Empire would have had 7 billion emmy nominations.

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    Rooney Moore
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    Your posts and logic are almost always hard to follow and understand and the above bolded part is a perfect example of this.  I have no idea what is going through your head half the time you are writing and rambling on in your posts.  I honestly sometimes wonder if you were dropped on your head at some point and have brain damage, as your posts and complete lack of logic and awareness make a strong case for that to be true.  Not to mention your posts and statements are often all over the place and rarely ever make sense and often contradict eachother.

    If you think voters do not vote for shows because they are popular without watching them, than you are sadly mistaken.  You are actually dead wrong in that sentiment.  I think everyone else here realizes and accepts that voters often name check both shows and actors, sight unseen, all the time.  If you think everyone in the academy is watching everything they are nominating, then you are either awfully foolish or naive.  Or just plain ignorant.  It is very common for voters to check off shows and actors because they are popular, and for no other reason.

    If all the voters who voted for Game of Thrones in directing had actually watched the submitted episodes, there is no way in the world that “Hardhome” gets left off of the ballot.  Nominations like these are actually pretty strong evidence that voters most likely just checked off something without actually seeing it.

    I am tired of this nonsense, I really do. I know you and I disagreed on this new Emmy voting system and debated over it a long time ago. But this is just too much. Even though I never said anything offending to you in personal, you seem to really take that seriously and turn this into a feud. Otherwise you wouldn’t use any random opportunity on this board to insult my personality. I don’t have to take this anymore.
    You think my posts are hard to understand, my lack of logic and awareness makes a strong case for the fact that I have a brain damage? Fine. Don’t take it seriously and bother to comment every one of them then. There are hundreds of comments on this site that I don’t agree, or find it ridicolous, but I don’t waste my time replying all of them, and adding personally hurtful messages in them.

    And you know what the real sad part is? Most of the time we’re actually on the same page with few minimal differences. But just because you are so blinded with your own hate towards me, you can’t even see the situation true, and always focus on those minimalities.
    I actually wanted to like some of your comments in the past few days, but I couldn’t because the site wouldn’t allow me.

    I know some of the voters name-checked U,U,U. That was actually my whole point if you had bothered to read my whole comment.
    But why on earth someone would name-check a show because it is popular, and then not to name-check its most popular episode? Tell me the logic of this. If we’re assuming they only go with what popular media said, then they wouldn’t have gone with the episode that has caused a backlash from all over the America, they would have gone with the one everyone praised to the heaven and back. There’s a very clear discrepansy here.
    No, it’s plain and simple. U,U,U was directed by a more familiar name , Hardhome wasn’t and they only voted for the first one. Period. Popularity won as you always say. That doesn’t particularly mean none of them didn’t watch Game of Thrones, that just means they appreciated the work that has been done by someone they know more than the other person they don’t know. It’s the same situation as Ozymandias, and Rian Johnson was a bigger name than Miguel Sapochnik. To assume that no one watched Breaking Bad and just name-checked  Felina doesn’t make sense, either.

    Apparently you won’t take me seriously even if I make the strongest cases on Goldderby, so please don’t waste both of our times reading my comments in the future. Just read Daniel montgomery’s post on the previous page, he pretty much said everything I wanted to say, and tell us your thoughts about that.

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