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  • Riley
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    Yes, obviously Game of Thrones, Veep, Silicon Valley, Last Week Tonight and for some reason Ray Donovan dominated.

    But what about everything that has premiered on HBO and Showtime lately? Billions, Show Me a Hero, Ballers and The Leftovers have all been shut out at the Emmys, while The Affair, Vinyl and The Knick have barely registered. It seems that Penny Dreadful‘s (six nominations this year) April 2014 premiere was the last time that Emmy voters tuned into a new show from HBO or Showtime.

    Meanwhile, the Emmys are embracing shows from obscure/new networks with multiple nominations: Amazon’s The Man in the High Castle, the CW’s Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, WGN’s Outlander, LouisCK.net’s Horace and Pete, USA’s Mr. Robot, BBC America’s Orphan Black and Lifetime’s UnREAL. The place to be for new shows is Netflix (Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, Master of None, Bloodline, Grace and Frankie, Narcos, Jessica Jones, Daredevil) and the Emmys have even been going back to old wells for new shows on networks like Fox (Gotham, The Last Man on Earth, Empire) and ABC (black-ish, American Crime, How to Get Away with Murder). And they continue to be receptive to the prestige basic cable networks AMC (Better Call Saul, The Night Manager) and FX (American Crime Story).

    I always like to talk about how HBO can get anything in and Showtime can get any actor nominated, but it is just not true any more. HBO got Big Love a series nomination without any other nominations, they got Treme big love when they moved it to miniseries and even got it a directing nomination as a drama and between Veep, Girls and Curb Your Enthusiasm, they filled half of the comedy series race in 2012, even though we all bet on Louie, Parks and Recreation and New Girl at the time.

    Showtime meanwhile got consistent lead nominations for a plethora of shows that the Emmys never cared to nominate in series: House of Lies, Ray Donovan, Episodes, Shameless, Masters of Sex, The Big C, United States of Tara. Even the few times that Showtime did not get lead acting nominations, they compensated by those shows cleaning up in the technical categories: Penny Dreadful, Californication, The Tudors, The Borgias. Plus they have the occasional Emmy favourite: Homeland, Dexter, Nurse Jackie, Weeds.

    But you are telling me now that HBO cannot get a single nomination for The Leftovers, despite being one of the most critically-acclaimed shows on television and having kick-ass main title design and musical score. At the very least, you would think that it could get a supporting visual effects nomination over Hannibal, a cancelled third-season summer show on NBC with no Emmy campaign. And The Knick has been quietly been nominated by like every guild (DGA, WGA, ACE, ADG, CDG, MUAHS, VES) and it has picked up a Peabody Award, as well as Golden Globe and Critics’ Choice nominations along the way, but not only does it not make the Emmys’ field of seven, but it actually declines in nominations this year, losing out in costumes to Outlander right after it won the guild and its costumer gets a lifetime achievement award?

    Over at Showtime, The Affair won the Globe, but the Globe is a kiss of death lately and the Emmys hate Dominic West, so I can excuse that. But Billions? Paul Giamatti is an Emmy magnet! And Damian Lewis was both nominated last year and won recently as a Showtime lead. Even Maggie Siff should have been gettable.

    What is going on?

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    jjjmoss
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    I think it’s difficult to gauge, because esp for HBO, their main shows are SUCH behemoths that who knows what other HBO noms would’ve happened if not for the premier shows taking up all those slots?
    I mean, 9 episodic noms out of 13 for Veep & Silicon alone?

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    Showtime should really be worried, they got 22 nominations in total, less than all of the broadcast channels, sans the CW.

    And HBO lost 1/4th of their nominations from last year,from 126 to 94 and 51 of those nominations came from Game of Thrones, Veep and Silicon Valley combined. With Game of Thrones having only two more seasons they need to find a drama that can be as strong as Game of Thrones. Westworld is coming but is it going to be enough? It can go the way The Leftovers did just as easily. The Deuce might end up as Vinyl too, similar period (a decade later?) and not so interesting topic.

    But they’ll be ok in Comedy side because first I don’t see HBO giving up on Veep and Silicon Valley in the foreseeable future and second with Divorce and Vice Principals premiering and Curb Your Enthusiasm coming back they are good to go at least until the end of this decade.

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    mikeboy898
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    It’s still funny how these 2 networks still have so many more noms than most of the other networks combined.

    HBO will bounce back with its next round of programming. Divorce, Westworld, Insecure, The Deuce to name a few.

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    Lord Freddy Blackfyre
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    I think we had this conversation when HBO lost The Sopranos, Sex & The City and Six Feet Under.

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    Alienware
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    I think we had this conversation when HBO lost The Sopranos, Sex & The City and Six Feet Under.

    Well, until last year The Sopranos was the latest win in Outstanding Drama for them, so the concern was valid. As it is right now, since I don’t see anything in their pipeline that could be able to pull that feat, other than Game of Thrones I mean.

    Showtime was never a behemoth, they got lucky one year with Homeland, but they’ve never been nor will they ever be, an awards household.

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    These premium cable giants are fine. Because there is so much to choose from no network no matter its pedigree will have a monopoly.

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    Icky
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    There’s obviously more parity for awards nods and more network options for producers and writers of TV shows. So, no, HBO’s not gonna dominate the way they used to. They’ll still have big years however. Those years just won’t come as consistently. And by any other network’s standard this would hardly be considered a down year. HBO’s problem is creative rather than awards. They seem to be obsessed with getting the next big cultural thing, leading to bland and bombastic dramas, which is how they got in trouble with Vinyl.

    Also, the OP seems like a veiled rant for The Leftovers getting skunked. And I get it.

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    DanyelI
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    What I have to say after these nominations is that to never underestimate the power of Showtime getting random nominations. Homeland got in drama series with 4 nominations. Ray Donovan got a directing nomination over Martin Scorsese and ressurected Jon Voight and Maura Tierney got in for the second year of The Affair. And it wasnt because of the Globe win since they don’t care about that.
    HBO and Showtime don’t need to worry.

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    Seriously, what happened to Billions??? They couldn’t even get it one technical nomination???

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    I seriously think that we should consider Ray Donovan as a serious threat to get into Drama Series next year. No one was predicting Sound Mixing and Directing (especially the latter), and Voight and Azaria where considered to be most likely to be snubbed bobble nominees.

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    Riley
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    Next year is shaping up to be a good one for Showtime. The final season of Episodes was already coming for Series/Writing/Directing/Casting/Lead nominations and apparently Ray Donovan is coming for Series too.

    Battlestar Galactica and My Name is Earl are the only other shows in the last two decades to get Sound Mixing and Directing nominations without ever getting Series. The former never got an acting nomination, let alone three in one year; the latter would have gotten in if there had been seven slots back then.

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    Such an ominous thread title lol. Streaming services are really amping their respective games up overall, but I think that HBO/Showtime only really have to worry when those outlets increase their limited series/telefilm output. That seems to be where HBO at least pads its totals to great effect. I don’t see HBO giving up its leaderboard status for many years, if ever. Showtime? Wellll…

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    leothescorpio
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    Not a fan, but I’m predicting Ray Donovan gets into Series next year, unless one of HBO’s new dramas break through.

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    Icky
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    Don’t see RD getting into series next year. Getting a few random nods doesn’t automatically equate to truly breaking through the following year. We’ve seen this happen with low buzz and low acclaim Showtime series quite a few times over the years.

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