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  • Trent
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    This is one of my favorite topics. Try to think of some of the best submission you can think of that DIDN’T win the award, especially those that enrage you. Here are some of mine:

    Whichever year Lisa Kudrow submitted “TOW Everyone Finds Out”
    2004 – Brad Garrett for “The Model”
    2006 – Jaime Pressly for “Joy’s Wedding”
    2007 – Edie Falco for “The Second Coming”
    2008 – Steve Carell for “Goodbye Toby”
    2008 – Amy Poehler for “Tina Fey”
    2008 – Sandra Oh for “The Becoming”
    2009 – Rainn Wilson for “Heavy Competition”
    2009 – Sandra Oh for “Elevator Love Letter”
    2010 – Tina Fey for “Dealbreakers Talk Show #001″**
    2011 – Martha Plimpton for “Say Cheese”
    2011 – Jon Hamm for “The Suitcase”

    **I predicted Falco for the win because Nurse Jackie was airing during the voting period, but I thought Fey had the best tape of the year and was strongly poised for an upset.

    What can you think of?

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    Beastialg
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    Lisa Kudrow submitted “TOW Everyone Finds Out” and “The One Hundredth” together and I still can’t believe she lost with those episodes, my all time favorite tapes submittion. She also had a few months before a big comedy movie out which was well received and a was big hit too (“Analize This”) but that didn’t help either.

    The only explanation I used to have was that the academy wasn’t eager to reward her a second time (in a row) but the winner end up being Kristen Johnston which was a second win for her. I remember watching Kristen’s tapes a few years ago and although funny, they were not even close to the greatness of Kudrow’s.

    “Friends” up to that moment was not a show really embraced by the academy, so probably Kudrow’s win was more of a one time “miracle” (good tapes, standout performer in a huge hit show and some leftover aclaim from the “The Opposite of Sex”) and once she won, they returned to the same old same winners.

    The 90’s is full of multiple emmy winners (Kelsey Grammer, John Lithgow, Dennis Franz, Candice Bergen, Helen Hunt, Kathy Baker, Michael Richards, David Hyde Pierce, Laurie Metcalf, Kristen Johnston ), great actors that end up having 1 or 2 underserving wins in their mantle.

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    Trent
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    #232895

    Yes, I forgot about The One Hundreth. She was truly the deserving winner that year, and if she had won again, she could have probably made it in when the cast went lead.

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    dannyboy.
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    #232896

    I LOVE that you put Dealbreakers for Tina Fey. She was the strongest in her category that year, and its actually my favorite submission for her to date.

    Didn’t Rose Byrne lose for ‘Trust Me’? Ridiculous, category fraud aside.

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    Trent
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    I think Dealbreakers is unanimously considered Fey’s best submission yet. It showed Liz Lemon in a way that none of her previous/future submissions ever did.

    And Rose Byrne was the frontrunner per say, but Oh was deserving. 

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    MissyGal
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    I thought Business School was a terrible submission for Carell, and I’m glad he didn’t win for that.

    On the other hand, Dealbreakers was an incredible tape, and Fey should have won. However, up against Falco, it’s easy to see how she lost. 

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    Trent
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    #232899

    Did I write the wrong year for Steve Carell? Oopsie. I meant 2008 Goodbye Toby. Imma fix that.

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    Pieman1994
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    #232900

    Carrel had a few great opportunities for season 4, but it baffles me as to why they didn’t like that episode. It’s easily one of the best of the whole series (top twenty at least.) Carrel was not particularly unlikable in his submission. Perhaps The Office was just not their cup of tea.

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    st_jimmy
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    #232901

    Yeah Lisa Kudrow in The One Hundredth and The One Where Everyone Finds Out ARE probably her two BEST performances on that show. 

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    Matty G
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    Carell really botched that “Business School” submission.  Not only does he come across as a complete ass (ripping pages out of a student’s textbook, interfering in a game of frisbee), but the episode itself is (IMO) one of the worst of The Office’s third season.  “Goodbye Toby” and “Broke,” his respective submissions from the following two seasons, are much better and would have been Emmy-worthy winning tapes.  Unfortunately, he had tough competition those years with Alec Baldwin.  As initially bummed as I was this year that he lost to Jim Parsons, in retrospect I realized that it would have been somewhat of a make-up win for the years that The Office was of a higher consistency (namely seasons 2-5), and in retrospect, Carell should have won either Shalhoub’s final Emmy (he submitted “The Injury,” not as bad a submission (IMO) as some other people on the Web seem to think – although he does come across as whiny and self-centered, the episode itself is hilarious) or Gervais’ Emmy (by submitting something/anything other than “Business School”).

    Now, on to The Office’s most inexplicable acting loss (it is pretty shocking when you consider that this show has 0 acting Emmys).  My personal second-favorite episode (after “Dinner Party”) in the show’s entire run is “Heavy Competition,” and much of that is due to Rainn Wilson’s performance, which is absolutely off the charts.  This was easily his best chance to win, and yet Emmy voters went with…Jon Cryer. <shakes head>  For me, that is hands down one of the biggest “How did they not win?” instances in recent memory.

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    efficiency
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    The 90’s is full of multiple emmy winners (Kelsey Grammer, John Lithgow, Dennis Franz, Candice Bergen, Helen Hunt, Kathy Baker, Michael Richards, David Hyde Pierce, Laurie Metcalf, Kristen Johnston ), great actors that end up having 1 or 2 underserving wins in their mantle.

     I completely agree. A lot of undeserving wins in the ’90s. Especially since people such as Lisa Kudrow and Julia Louis-Dreyfus only pulled out one win for Friends and Seinfeld, respectively. And poor Jason Alexander who didn’t win once, and still hasn’t. I also feel David Schwimmer deserved much more than one nomination – I would have even supported a win for him. He was a constant standout. And where is he these days??!! 

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    How did Estelle Getty lose Supporting Actress in a Comedy in 1991 with Ebbetide’s Revenge and There Goes The Bride Part 1? Ebbetide’s Revenge was the episode in which her son Phil dies and she has that touching ending in which she says “My baby is gone”.  There Goes The Bride Part 1 deals with Dorothy wanting to marry Stan.  Estelle is hilarious in how she deals with this situation and how she helps Rose with her situation with Myra. 

    Also, how did Delta Burke lose Lead Actress in A Comedy in 1990 with the submission of “They Shoot Fat Women Don’t They”?

    Another one is Jane Kaczmarek submission for Lead Actress in a Comedy with “Lois Strikes Back”.  This episode had range and impact.  I ranked Jane first with Lisa Kudrow second, Julia third, Debra Messing fourth and Stockard Channing fifth.

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    1984 – Sherman Hemsley, The Jeffersons
    1985 – Phylicia Rashad, The Cosby Show
    2008 – Vanessa Williams, Ugly Betty
    (How in the hell did she lose to Jean Smart?  )

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    Emmyfan
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    What did Sherman Hemsley submit the year that he was nominated?  Also, what did Phylicia Rashad submit in 1985?

    I am going out on a limb in speculating that a small part of Jean Smart’s win was attributed to her outstanding work on 24 in which she was nominated in 2006 (Supporting Actress) and 2007 (Guest Actress).

    Vanessa Williams’ submission had Betty White and Betty overshadowed Vanessa in that episode.  This was probably the best of her three submissions and it is unfortunate that Vanessa Williams never won for this role.

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    sorcery
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    Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Drama Series: Definitely Nancy Marchand for The Sopranos (I believe she submitted the pilot and “46 Long”). Holland Taylor was fine in her role as a libidinous judge in the third season of The Practice, but Marchand’s Livia was a force. Plus, Taylor was only in six of twenty-three episodes (with very little screentime) so I don’t know what she was doing in the supporting actress category. I thought the actual supporting actresses in The Practice (Lara Flynn Boyle and Camryn Manheim) were more deserving of the honor. The Emmy panelists might have been voting strategically since Marchand was already a four-time winner (and remains the most honored actress in the category). Still, when such an outstanding performance comes along, it should be acknowledged.

    Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series: Some actors were victims of the episodic voting system. It seemed like the Academy had watched the third season of The Office, which got almost twice as many nominations as the second season (the only season to win Outstanding Comedy Series), including one for unknown Jenna Fischer (in a mostly dramatic performance). Her character had a great arc that season, and the Emmys surprisingly took notice. I suppose it was her episode submission (“The Job”) that cost her the Emmy.

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