August 30, 2014 at 6:13 pm #331012
Would it have replaced Mad Men or Downton Abbey? Another show?
Do you think Fargo could have gotten either of their main actors into the lead actor category? At whose expense? What about writing and directing? Would we have had any new winners, or just nominees?
I’m curious to hear how everyone thinks the drama races would have changed had Fargo followed True Detective‘s lead.August 30, 2014 at 7:02 pm #331014
Fargo probably would have taken Downton out and became the 2nd place Drama. I don’t know how Best Actor would look like. Tolman would have knocked out either Hendricks or Heady out and I doubt Hanks would have got in unless Carter was dropped.August 30, 2014 at 7:58 pm #331015
But Fargo’s humor is too predictable and childish to be considered a “drama”.
If it did go, it would probably knock out Downton Abbey ( I don’t even know why it’s still nominated)
For Lead, most likely it would knock out Jeff Daniels, Woody Harrelson, or Kevin Spacey.
For Supporting Actor, Jim Carter would get knocked out
For Supporting Actress, either Hendricks, Froggart, or even Heady would get knocked out
Most of my woulds should have been read as ‘should’August 30, 2014 at 8:59 pm #331016
Downton, sadly, still would have been in.
I suspect the Drama Series line-up would look exactly the same.August 30, 2014 at 10:16 pm #331017
I agee with harposboy. Although, I think Fargo would be competing in Comedy. But it it did submit itself as a drama, I don’t think it would get a Drama Series nomination. Clearly, Downton has a very passionate voter base if it still got nominated after its weak fourth season. And Mad Men is never not going to get nominated.
Colin Hanks definitely wouldn’t have gotten a nomination. I think only Thornton and Tolman would have gotten in. And Noah Hawley would have gotten a writing nomination. No wins.August 31, 2014 at 4:02 am #331018
Mad Men would’ve been dropped in favor of Fargo, also Daniels probably out and Billy Bob in, but not Freeman. Tolman gets in the Supporting race (Froggat is dropped), Writing nom (HoC is dropped) and Directing nom (Downton is dropped). Still no win though.August 31, 2014 at 4:35 am #331019
I doubt it would get a Drama Series nomination. As for other nominations, it would’ve gotten maybe Tolman and Thornton in Supporting Actress and Lead Actor, respectively.
Then it would go the way of TD and lose most/all of its nominationsAugust 31, 2014 at 8:14 am #331020
Definitely Mad Men in Series, Lead Actor probably would have dropped Hamm and Daniels, Supporting Actor would be Voight or Patinkin, and Supporting Actress would be Hendricks.September 5, 2014 at 2:07 pm #331021
As proved to be the case with True Detective, enterting the drama field would have only hurt Fargo. A couple of nominations, sure, but fewer. No wins. It couldn’t even win some of the categories it unquestionably deserved most and seemed poised to win in miniseries. And Hanks and Freeman would not get in. Even Series is debatable, nothing leaving the field makes much sense.September 5, 2014 at 2:33 pm #331022
Yes, I agree with that, only I think that Freeman would have a nice chance to get nominated maybe over Woody Harrelson. The biggest victim of that move would be “Mad Men” – it would lost its main nominations, that being Drama Series, Lead Actor and Supporting Actress. I have no idea about Writing/Directing because it could go either way. But it’s good that they stayed in Miniseries as they eventually score more nominations than any other program and that’s always quite an accomplishment.
“Fargo” going Comedy is intriguing thought. It wouldn’t be right but one thing is certain – Comedy Lead Actor would invite both Martin Freeman and Billy Bob Thornton with arms wide open over Gervais and Macy.September 5, 2014 at 5:28 pm #331023
As I said in the equivalent Orange is the New Black thread, Mad Men missed writing, directing, editing, casting, sound and lead actress, as well as guilds like PGA and SAG. It easily would have been displaced by Fargo. I am not sure if Fargo still would have gotten writing. It did not have enough support to win and the drama writing category was stacked between the two Breaking Bad episodes, True Detective, that House of Cards episode that popped up in every category and Game of Thrones, which led nominations. However, House of Cards did miss last year and Game of Thrones missed last year and aired its submission pretty late. When in doubt, I feel that I should predict a snub since FX normally does so poorly. The directing category loves pilots, so “The Crocodile’s Dilemma” could have gotten in over Downton Abbey and either Game of Thrones or Boardwalk Empire, but “Buridan’s Ass” would not been snubbed, so they could not have gone on to win there.
Lead actor was crowded, but Jon Hamm could not have been that strong. He missed SAG and the other precursors and is on his hundredth nomination and most people fall off sooner or later. I doubt that there would have been enough space for both of them though, so I say that Martin Freeman loses his nomination. Colin Hanks would have been snubbed. Supporting actress was weak, so Allison Tolman could have gotten in probably over Christina Hendricks. An interesting question is whether it could have gained any guest nominations for Oliver Platt, Keith Carradine or Bob Odenkirk. Then again, you would think that Alfred Molina would not have been that hard to overcome.
They still would have won casting if they could beat the star-studded The Normal Heart. The casting category loves ensembles and unknown actors being discovered. There was a tie in cinematography, so it would have had to take out two to get one in. Homeland should have been easy to take out and there are not normally double-nominees in the category, so I think that it could have taken out one of the Game of Thrones episodes. It is hard to say whether it would have been the pilot or “Buridan’s Ass” that got in though. Breaking Bad got three episodes nominated, but so did Fargo, so I think that the pilot could have taken one of them out. It would have missed makeup. It should have still gotten music. Downton Abbey missed sound mixing last year and I am not sure why it came back, so I would think that Fargo could displace it. I am thinking with sound editing that it benefited from being in the miniseries categories, although it might have been able to take out Boardwalk Empire since they dropped that from sound mixing.
So I think that they would have still won casting, but nothing else. They would have scored eight total nominations (down from eighteen), with single nominations in series, directing, lead actor, supporting actress, editing, cinematography and sound.September 6, 2014 at 9:16 am #331024
Thanks for the in-depth reply.
Part of me wishes it happened, because I have this enduring thought that Martin Freeman would have been the one nominated over his costar. I think part of his victory for Sherlock came from his work in Fargo, so it would make sense for him to score a nom over the (comparatively) one-note Thornton.
Somehow, critics opted for the experienced veteran over the better performance in Fargo… I think Emmy voters would have made a different decision.September 7, 2014 at 2:00 pm #331025
It would be like this…
4.House of Cards
5.Game of Thrones
1.Bryan Cranston ”Breaking Bad”
2.Matthew McConaughey ”True Detective”
3.Billy Bob Thornton ”Fargo”
4.Woody Harrelson ”True Detective”
5.Kevin Spacey ”House of Cards”
6.Martin Freeman ”Fargo”
Drama Supporting Actor
1.Aaron Paul ”Breaking Bad”
2.Peter Dinklage ”Game of Thrones”
3.Josh Charles ”The Good Wife”
4.Colin Hanks ”Fargo”
5.Mandy Patinkin ”Homeland”
6.Jon Voight ”Ray Donovan”
Drama Supporting Actress
1.Anna Gunn ”Breaking Bad”
2.Allison Tolman ”Fargo”
3.Joanne Froggatt ”Downton Abbey”
4.Maggie Smith ”Downton Abbey
5.Lena Heady ”Game of Thrones”
6.Christina Hendricks ”Mad Men”
1.True Detective ”Who Goes There”
2.Breaking Bad ”Felina”
3.Fargo ”Buridan’s Ass”
4.Fargo ”Crocodile’s Dilemma”
5.Game of Thrones ”The Watchers on the Wall”
6.Boardwalk Empire ”Farewell Daddy Blues”
1.Breaking Bad ”Ozymandias”
2.Breaking Bad ”Felina”
3.True Detective ”The Secret Fate of All Life”
4.Fargo ”Crocodile’s Dilemma”
5.Game of Thrones ”The Children”