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  • Kevin Jacobsen
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    #331055

    Orange is the New Black was completely shut out of the Emmy telecast despite several big nominations. My question is, how would it have faired if it were submitted in the drama categories, in terms of nominations and wins?

     Amid all the talk that the show lost Comedy Series for not being funny enough, do you think it could have gotten into Drama Series and been a plausible threat to Breaking Bad? Would it have even been nominated?

     And for acting, I think Kate Mulgrew and Laverne Cox would have still gotten in but I’m not so sure about Taylor Schilling (too competitive of a field) and Uzo Aduba/Natasha Lyonne (too comedic). 

     The series seems to be getting darker and more dramatic through Season 2 so I’m wondering if it could have paid off for them to bite the bullet for Season 1 and stick it in Drama. 

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    Marcus Dixon
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    It probably would have been a repeat of the Golden Globes. Taylor Schilling could have gotten a nomination (instead of Lizzy Caplan), but likely it would’ve been shut out elsewhere. If Uzo were nominated, she would have definitely lost to Allison Janney.

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    24Emmy
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    Kate Mulgrew would’ve had a chance against Anna Gunn. She wasn’t funny in Tit Punch, but she certaintly had some dramatic moments.

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    nahborghi
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    I don’t think it would’ve changed much, the only possible win would be Taylor Schilling, with her season best ‘Fucksgiving’. But overall, the show’d still be shut out. The Breaking Bad love is too strong; Anna Gunn would’ve won over Kate Mulgrew. Not to mention, Lyonne wouldn’t be nominated, and it would’ve lost Casting and Guest Actress to True Detective and Allison Janney, respectively. 

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    Tyler The Awesome Guy
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    If OITNB was in Drama and not in Comedy.

    Best Drama Series

    • Breaking Bad
    • Game of Thrones
    • House of Cards
    • Mad Men
    • Orange is the New Black (replacing Downton Abbey)
    • True Detective

    Best Actress – Drama Series

    • Lizzy Caplan – Masters of Sex
    • Claire Danes – Homeland
    • Julianna Margulies – The Good Wife
    • Taylor Schilling – Orange is the New Black (replacing Michelle Dockery)
    • Kerry Washington – Scandal
    • Robin Wright Penn – House of Cards

    Best Sup. Actress – Drama Series

    • Christine Baranski – The Good Wife
    • Anna Gunn – Breaking Bad
    • Lena Headey – Game of Thrones
    • Christina Hendricks – Mad Men
    • Kate Mulgrew – Orange is the New Black (replacing Joanne Froggatt)
    • Maggie Smith – Downton Abbey

    Best Guest Actress – Drama Series

    • Uzo Aduba – Orange is the New Black (replacing Kate Mara)
    • Kate Burton – Scandal
    • Jane Fonda – The Newsroom
    • Allison Janney – Masters of Sex
    • Margo Martindale – The Americans
    • Diana Rigg – Game of Thrones

    Best Directing – Drama Series

    • Jodie Foster – Orange is the New Black (replacing David Evans)
    • Carl Franklin – House of Cards
    • Cary Fukunga – True Detective
    • Vince Gilligan – Breaking Bad
    • Neil Marshall – Game of Thrones
    • Tim Van Patten – Boardwalk Empire

    Best Writing – Drama Series

    • David Benioff & D.B. Weiss – Game of Thrones
    • Liz Friedman & Jenji Kohan – Orange is the New Black (replacing Beau Willimon)
    • Vince Gilligan – Breaking Bad
    • Nic Pizzolatto – True Detective
    • Moira Walley-Beckett – Breaking Bad
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    It would have done alot worse I think. Schilling wouldn’t have gotten in unless they favored her as the breakout performance rather than Caplan. Uzo wouldn’t have won over Janney. Mulgrew would have been nominated but no chance of beating Anna Gunn. Laverne and Natsha would have not even been nominated. Writing and Directing maybe. Show? Possibly but if The Good Wife couldn’t get in, I doubt Orange would have made it in. 

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    GoMe91
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    I’m not so pessimistic with this one. I think it would have gotten the same nominations, except Natasha Lyonne would have been snubbed. Taylor Schilling would have submitted a better, more dramatic episode and maybe actually have a chance at winning. And I even think Uzo is capable of beating Allison Janney.

    Fall precursors aren’t always great indicators. Remember when the SAGs shut out Homeland for its first season before the show swept the Emmys? The highly anticipated second season of Orange premiered during voting, thus giving the show a boost.

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    Icky
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    I don’t really know with this one. ‘Orange’ was always going to be able to garner more nods in comedy yet have a more difficult time winning comedy Emmys. I think in acting it would have done just fine with Schilling, Mulgrew and a couple of guest nods. Schilling would have benefitted being surrounded by iffy tapes, though she probably still wouldn’t have been the front runner over Danes and Margulies. In the long run going drama was still best. 

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    AviChristiaans
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    It would have done way worse. There is no way any of the ladies would’ve beaten Allison Janney in Guest Drama Actress.

    Downton Abbey wasn’t going anywhere. That is just wishfull thinking.
    So the thought of  ‘Orange’ somehow replacing “Abbey” in key categories is preposterous. If anything, it would’ve ended up the same way “Shameless”, “Master of Sex” and “Treme” did. SNUBBED.

    With probably only a Directing or Writing nod, and one Drama Guest Actress nod.

     

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    Icky
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    ‘Orange’ would have ended up in a better position had Netflix last summer said this is a drama or this is a comedy and promoted it as one or the other. All the indecision and flip-flopping would have hurt its chances no matter where it eventually submitted. 

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    Ryan Lapierre
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    Orange would not do so good. I think Taylor would barley get in. Not sure about Mulgrew. And I think Cox would have a better chance then Aduba.

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    vinny
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    It would have gotten nominated and so would have Schilling but probably not much more.

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    Stretchy
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    I think they’d have gotten just as many nominations, winning just as many. In the long run, that’s much better IMO. “Orange” needs to be talked about among the best drama shows, not among comedy shows. Entering as Comedy was just too short-sighted by Netflix.

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    Riley
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    It still would have won casting.  Having big stars is unimportant and maybe even detrimental usually to the casting branchLook at how The Normal Heart lost to FargoTrue Detective won because it was the only new show.  Previous winners in the category have been large ensembles like Friday Night Lights, True Blood and Lost.

    If
    they had submitted their pilot for editing, it would have been
    nominated since the editors love flashbacks and pilots, but they instead
    submitted three other episodes.  That obviously worked for comedy, but
    drama was too crowded with the three Breaking Bad episodes, True Detective and that House of Cards
    episode that popped up in every category, so the votes would have been
    too split for even one nomination.  It follows that they would have
    given up a win there.

    Uzo Aduba would not have beaten
    Allison Janney.  Drama guest actress was pretty sparse, seeing as they
    nominated Diana Rigg and Margo Martindale for work in the previous
    season and Kate Mara.  Laverne Cox and Natasha Lyonne actually might
    have held onto their nominations.  Let’s say that one of them would have
    made it and one would have been snubbed.

    They would have given
    up their wins for editing and guest actress, but they might have
    actually gained a lead actress win if they went drama.  Schilling (would
    have been nominated over Lizzy Caplan) and not submitted “The
    Chickening”, but given how much they seemingly hated their pilot (not
    submitting it in series, directing, editing or lead actress), Schilling
    probably would have gone with “Fucksgiving”.  That seemed like the savvy
    choice a few weeks ago, but the voters seemed to value arc over impact
    this year, so she probably still would have lost to Margulies.

    No writing, directing, editing, casting, sound, lead actress or nominations at PGA and SAG mean that it is a miracle that Mad Men was nominated for series this year.  Orange is the New Black would have displaced it.

    Writing is tricky, but I would think that Orange is the New Black would have been able to displace one of the late-airing Game of Thrones episode and the snubbed-last-year House of Cards.

    There was a tie in directing, so we need to first drop one of the existing nominees (Downton Abbey
    since the writers dropped it).  Again, if they had submitted the pilot,
    it would have been a shoo-in, but they did not, so it becomes a
    question of whether Jodie Foster’s name carries enough weight.  Boardwalk Empire with its ever-declining nominations and Game of Thrones with its past consecutive snubs would have been on the chopping block.  I cannot tell if Orange is the New Black would have been nominated here, but I am leaning against it.

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    Mulgrew would have still gotten in, probably over Christina Hendricks. 
    Upsetting Anna Gunn?  Please.  At least Gunn would have had a
    respectable tape to compete against though.

    So I think that they would have gone from three wins in twelve nominations to one win in seven nominations.

    But
    this was also a long-run decision.  I bet that “Thirsty Bird” would
    have won Taylor Schilling a drama lead actress Emmy and Lorraine
    Toussaint would have been the drama guest actress frontrunner.  With Breaking Bad and True Detective
    out of the way, the show would have also had a decent shot at the drama
    series trophy.  Now that two-time winner Anna Gunn is out of the way,
    Kate Mulgrew or Uzo Aduba might have easily scooped up that drama
    supporting actress win next year.  Considering that winning all three
    actress categories for its second season seem like it would have been
    almost easily attainable, going drama was the right decision.

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    Jake
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    #331070

    I don’t think it would win anything. Nominations turned out to be their wins and in Drama, they would barely have that. Perhaps Jenji Kohan’s work isn’t the kind of stuff that wins Emmys. At least it won an acting winner which “Weeds” couldn’t do. I’m thrilled for Uzo so perhaps it was worth it just for her. 

    Lorraine Toussaint will be such an odd case next year. She has valid arguments to choose between lead, supporting and guest. 

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