June 15, 2013 at 11:51 pm #281436
I’d love to get your thoughts on this topic. Is “Breaking Bad” too gritty to win Best Drama Series? Some of your responses might even be quoted in an upcoming article on the Gold Derby home page.
Thanks!June 16, 2013 at 12:13 am #281438
No. I could see the Emmys turning down something that is filmed in cinema verité style, but Breaking Bad does not “look” gritty like that. I am not even sure that “gritty” is the right word for Breaking Bad, what with that adrenaline-pumping train heist in the middle of this season.Marcus Snowden (The Artist Formerly Known as msnowden1)ParticipantJune 16, 2013 at 6:59 am #281439
Is probably was to gritty in the past, but Emmy voters have gotten used to it. Look at Homeland’s series win last year. Being too gritty is probably what took 24 five years to win Drama Series (at the right time, too, because it sucked after that).June 16, 2013 at 7:10 am #281440
I don’t think so. I remember someone asking me if the Sopranos was too gritty to win it and it won in 2007and in 2004. Same person asked me about Homeland and look how well it did.Marcus Snowden (The Artist Formerly Known as msnowden1)ParticipantJune 16, 2013 at 7:18 am #281441
24 was a TV series that explicitly showed torture and graphic violence. Not to mention the fact that it was about terrorism. After 9/11, the Emmy voters probably couldn’t vote for a show like that.June 16, 2013 at 7:29 am #281442
I don’t think it’s too gritty. I think it is more that the subject matter just doesn’t fall in line with the other Drama Series winners. It would stick out like a sore thumb if it won. Everything else that has won has some eltist appeal. Even ‘The Sopranos’ and ’24’. Breaking Bad just doesn’t have that. Of course it still deserves to win.June 16, 2013 at 7:42 am #281443
The main reasons why Breaking Bad hasn’t won series
- It’s pulpy. 24 was pulpy as well, but remember that it won in a year where its biggest competition was an unabashedly soapy relationship drama. Homeland is also pulpy, but it has a slickness and a more self-serious tone. Also, despite being pulpy its best episodes are driven by characters and emotional upheaval.
- The best episodes of BB aren’t as self-contained and easy to appreciate as installments of Mad Men and Homeland.
- It’s had to compete with a network mate since the beginning of its run that’s much more Emmy friendly and got to the big prize early.
- It hasn’t received a writing nomination.
The first two things have really hurt it in the tape system.June 16, 2013 at 8:20 am #281444
I don’t believe the show is too “gritty.” As others have already noted, The Sopranos, 24, and Homeland all have won for Drama Series. Not to mention Breaking Bad has already been recognized by Emmy voters in other big categories. I’m sure a lot of people though Hill Street Blues was too gritty to win all the awards that it did. I think when Breaking Bad premeired, voters were hesitant to fully embrace it. They gave Cranston the just credit for his performance three times in a row and Paul two of his own Emmys, but they still seemed wary toward the series as a whole. However, the show has increased its number of nominations every single year. And I truly believe that it will win Best Drama Series either this year, next year, or both. I think there are similarities between The Sopranos and Breaking Bad when it comes to Emmy wins. Today everyone thinks of The Sopranos as the pinnacle of great drama television. It’s a show that will go down as arguably the greatest ever (sorry The Wire), yet it only won two Best Drama Series Emmys. As much as I loved and do love The West Wing, was it better or more deserving of its four consecutive Emmy wins for Drama Series than The Sopranos. No. Mad Men is the same way. I enjoy the show, but did it deserve those four consecutive Emmy wins? No. Ultimately, I think Breaking Bad will be looked back on as a greater achievement than its AMC counterpart. Like I said, I think BB will win eventually. My hope is that enough Emmy voters will say to themselves “this is one fantastic television achievement and its way overdue for the Series win.”June 16, 2013 at 8:31 am #281445
I don’t think it’s too gritty. I think it is more that the subject matter just doesn’t fall in line with the other Drama Series winners. It would stick out like a sore thumb if it won. Everything else that has won has some eltist appeal. Even ‘The Sopranos’ and ’24’. Breaking Bad just doesn’t have that. Of course it still deserves to win.
This is what I think, too. It’s not too gritty but the subject matter might turn some people off. A druglord in Albequerque. And although Vince Gilligan has said he pitched the show as Mr. Chips turning into Scarface, the years it has been most competitive have been the ones where Walter White is not just an antihero, he’s the villain. Has there ever been a show that’s won with such a despicable person at the center (opinions may vary on the relative merits of Tony Soprano)? Even though you might not be expected or compelled to root for Walter White, he’s still the main character and I can understand people being turned off by that.June 16, 2013 at 8:40 am #281446
“The Sopranos” winning the Drama Series Emmy twice has rendered this “too gritty/too violent/”too dark to win” argument moot for shows that have followed it for the most part. I think the issue is more about “Breaking Bad” having to go up against its AMC counterpart “Mad Men” all of those years with that show having more Emmy-friendly, standalone tapes to submit to panels. And while “Mad Men” has taken the big prize four consecutive times, “Breaking Bad” has been compensated with five acting Emmys for its two main stars, so it goes both ways with each series lacking what the other show has or received in recognition, I guess.June 16, 2013 at 8:46 am #281447
Has ever been a show with a lead character that has try to murder a child?….It is too gritty….and by the way this last season is the weakest of this show.June 16, 2013 at 8:49 am #281448
Some are confusing gritty with lurid and lurid with pulp. BB was somewhat gritty in its first couple of seasons. It’s been particularly lurid in its last couple of seasons. It’s been pulpy since the beginning.Marcus Snowden (The Artist Formerly Known as msnowden1)ParticipantJune 16, 2013 at 8:55 am #281449
I actually thought that BB was pretty slow until “Fifty-One”, and it picked up from there.June 16, 2013 at 8:57 am #281450
Some are confusing gritty with lurid and lurid with pulp. BB was somewhat gritty in its first couple of seasons. It’s been particularly lurid in its last couple of seasons. It’s been pulpy since the beginning.
1. A publication, such as a magazine or book, containing lurid subject matter.
So… if it’s pulpy it must be lurid.
Anyway, I think it’s partly because of the subject matter and partly because of the Mad Men AMC competition factor.
24 won on its best season and Homeland won on its first year. The Sopranos got consistently high acclaim throughout its run.
Breaking Bad will probably have to wait till next year for its series win.Marcus Snowden (The Artist Formerly Known as msnowden1)ParticipantJune 16, 2013 at 9:03 am #281451
I’ve looked at the 2007 Emmy predictions, and people said that The Sopranos winning that year was unfair. The Sopranos’ second half of its sixth season was brilliant, and it deserved to win. Sorry if I went off-topic, but that had to be said.