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  • LostBoy2003
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    I was hoping someone could
    clear something up for me. This year everyone seemed to be very excited because
    JLD broke Lucille Ball’s record for most nominations for a comedic actress. I believe
    she has 14 now compared to Ball’s 13. I also believe that this is spread out
    across all comedic actress categories (Many of Ball’s win/nominations were in
    categories like outstanding comedienne etc.) 

    Here
    is where I am confused. Betty White has received 17 nominations across all
    comedic categories in her career and won 5 times in those categories. Shouldn’t
    the record be hers?

    I know
    many of her nominations came in the guest categories but they are still a
    comedic nomination.  

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    JayDF
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    I say yes to White actually holding the record.  Not even a case of apples and oranges when it comes to guest acting IMO.

    Ball still has the biggest acomplishment I think because of category inflation.  Many of her nominations came in years where her competition also came from variety and drama series, not just situation comedies.  Also when looking at Lucy’s 13 noms, I would say 11 should be considered comedy series nominations.

    Take out the 1952 most outstanding personality nod and also take out the 1955 comedienne nod.  Only because both those years had a better category she was nominated in to correspond to what’s been happening continously since the 1965-66 emmy awards.  I would keep the 1951 comedian or comedienne nod and the 1952 comedienne nod, in her 11 tally, only because there were no other categories for an actress in a comedy series and even if a particular program wasn’t included in the nomination.  I would for sure keep the crazy female essentially playing herself category of 1957 as well, though I hate that category placement both she and Gracie Allen in it – because they were not playing themselves at all – even though Gracie was playing Gracie Allen, she wasn’t. They should have been in the regular actress in a series category that year! 

    The categories were so schizoid in those early years!!!  

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    unsunganthem
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    I would also have to throw Mary Tyler Moore’s name into this mix. She has less nominations (11) than Ball, JLD, and White for Comedy Series work, but she won 6 times for her work on The Dick Van Dyke Show and The Mary Tyler Moore Show. Add to that that she has another four nominations for Miniseries/Movie work, including a win in 1993. That kinda makes her the tops, no? And let’s not forget Carol Burnett. I guess she isn’t mentioned because she was on a Variety/Comedy series and not a straght sitcom. But check out the Emmys on her IMDb page. Wow.

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    LostBoy2003
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    I thought about Carol Burnett but then realized so many of her noms and wins were for a varietyh show. However, sinc evariety performers now compete with series performers it may make no difference whatsoever. 

    I think Betty White gets the win simply for being nominated for Yes Dear! I mean did that show ever even garner any other nominations?

     Is there anyone else who has competed for the Emmys in the 50’s, 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, 00’s, and 2010’s besides Betty White?

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    unsunganthem
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    I thought about Carol Burnett but then realized so many of her noms and wins were for a varietyh show. However, sinc evariety performers now compete with series performers it may make no difference whatsoever. 

    I think Betty White gets the win simply for being nominated for Yes Dear! I mean did that show ever even garner any other nominations?

     Is there anyone else who has competed for the Emmys in the 50’s, 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, 00’s, and 2010’s besides Betty White?

    Hey, no argument from me. I love Betty White. That old slut. Lol. Who doesn’t love her? The only person comparable to her that comes to mind is maybe Angela Lansbury (obviously not a strictly television actress). She’s been on stage, screen, and television since 1944. 18 Emmy nods for Lansbury and not a single win. WTF, Academy?  

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    24Emmy
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    Hey, no argument from me. I love Betty White. That old slut. Lol. Who doesn’t love her? The only person comparable to her that comes to mind is maybe Angela Lansbury (obviously not a strictly television actress). She’s been on stage, screen, and television since 1944. 18 Emmy nods for Lansbury and not a single win. WTF, Academy?

    Perhaps Angela Lansbury should guest star on The Good Wife.

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    Jason Travis
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    I thought Cloris Leachman has the record for most Emmy nominations by a comedic actress- or is it actual awards (with 8 wins)- not sure.

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    Leachman has 8 nominations & 3 wins in guest categories and 4 nominations and 1 win in regular comedy categories.  So she actually has more nomations than Ball, if you say Ball has 11 instead of 13 for comedy series actress categories.

    Mary Tyler Moore has 10 nominations and 5 wins for comedy series work (don’t count the stupid super emmy she won in 1974). 

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    Emmyfan
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    Cloris Leachman has 22 Emmy nominations with 8 wins.

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    JayDF
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    Yes she does, but not all 8 wins and 22 nominations are for work in a comedy series.

    Cloris Leachman has 22 Emmy nominations with 8 wins.

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    LostBoy2003
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    I noticed yesterday that even the website was reporting that JLD had the distinction. I am just so confused how people (especially at this site) think she holds this record. I love JLD and have ever since the Seinfeld days but she holds many other records and well deserved ones. See the quote and link to the article below.

    “She is also the overall leader in Emmy history for comedy performance nominations with 14. Next in line are Lucille Ball (13), Cloris Leachman (12), and Mary Tyler Moore (11). These totals do not include nods for dramas, movies, or producing.”

    http://www.goldderby.com/news/4814/emmy-awards-julia-louis-dreyfus-veep-tv-news-entertainment-420863195.html

     

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    KT
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    Yeah, I don’t know if people count the guest nominations.  JLD must be the nominations leader from nominations she received for her shows—all of which she starred on: Seinfeld, New Adventures of Old Christine, and VEEP.  Guest spots don’t really count as being a vital part of the show/i.e. starring role.  Does this make any sense?

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    JayDF
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    The above linked article here on Gold Derby have got to be including guest nominations for comedy work…otherwise Leachman would not be listed as she would only have 3 nominations in regular acting categories – or techinally 2 nominations as her 2nd and 3rd MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW nominations were specifically for individual episodes. In any event they included Leachman’s guest nods while totally ignoring Betty White all together who has 11 nominations for regular character work and 5 more for guest work – 4 more if you don’t include the variety work on SNL.

    Yeah, I don’t know if people count the guest nominations.  JLD must be the nominations leader from nominations she received for her shows—all of which she starred on: Seinfeld, New Adventures of Old Christine, and VEEP.  Guest spots don’t really count as being a vital part of the show/i.e. starring role.  Does this make any sense?

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    Actually, I count 12 for White’s regular work (1 for Life With Elizabeth, 3 for MTM, 7 for Golden Girls, 1 for Hot in Cleveland). The four for guest (excluding SNL and the drama nom for The Practice) is right.

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    LostBoy2003
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    I think that is right. The LIfe witn Elizabeth one is I think an local Emmy but still she is ahead by miles.

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