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  • Tom O’Neil
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    #296610

    Join us on Gold Derby’s home page today at 4 p.m. PT for our editors’ live video slugfest on those tricky Emmy races for guest acting in comedy and drama TV series. You can participate by adding your comments and questions in the chat room that will appear next to the webcam.

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    Ghost
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    I’m making 2 separate posts on this, and this one is devoted to the comedy guests.

    Comedy Guest Actor:

    1. Bob Newhart

    2. Louis C.K.

    3. Bobby Cannavale

    4. Justin Timberlake

    5. Nathan Lane

    6. Will Forte

    Right now I’m thinking it’s between Bob Newhart and Louis C.K. with a chance Bobby Cannavale or Justin Timberlake could upset. First I’ll talk aput the 2 that don’t have a chance, Nathan Lane and Will Forte. The problem is that both of these guys would have had a better chance if they were nominated a different year with their episode that specific year. A couple of seasons ago they could have won but they weren’t nominated, and compared to the others there’s no way they’ll win. Justin Timberlake was previously in second place for me, but after watching the chat I’m moving him down to fourth because of the fact this was his weakest time hosting SNL and Louis C.K. was much better. I think people are underestimating Bobby Cannavale though. Yeah, it’s a dramatic role, but so is Laura Dern in Lead Actress and some are predicting she’ll win. However, the real race is between Bob Newhart and Louis C.K. It’d be great if Bob Newhart finally won, but one could argue his performance wasn’t enough, and if anyone were to beat him it’d be Louis C.K. Not only does he have all the Emmy support but he also has the better tape of the SNL guest actors. I really wouldn’t be surprised to see either of them win and they’d be well deserved.

    Comedy Guest Actress:

    1. Melissa Leo

    2. Elaine Stritch

    3. Melissa McCarthy

    4. Kristen Wiig

    5. Molly Shannon

    6. Dot Marie Jones

    Just to get this out of the way, there’s no chance Dot Marie Jones can win. She has the weakest performance of the bunch and there’s not many Glee nominations these days. Like the editors were saying, Molly Shannon’s problem is that she’s crucial to the story, and since with guest acting they only show the scenes the nominee is in, that’ll probably affect her chances. As far as the SNL ladies go, Melissa McCarthy is the stronger of the two. Even though Kristen Wiig has been nominated when she was a regular, I don’t think her performance is good enough to win. Elaine Stritch is 88 years old so the Emmy voters might want to vote for her, plus she had a good tape. However, the best of the bunch has to be Melissa Leo. She is hilarious in this episode and I loved her performance, and I’m sure Emmy voters will agree. I think it’s between Leo, Stritch, and McCarthy with a small chance Wiig could upset.

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    Ghost
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    Drama Guest Actor:

    1. Michael J Fox

    2. Rupert Friend

    3. Nathan Lane

    4. Harry Hamlin

    5. Dan Bucantinsky

    6. Robert Morse

    How Robert Morse got in is beyond me and he has no chance at all. I think what’s holding Bucantinsky back is the fact he’s in Scandal, a so-so show with Kerry Washington as the only other nomination. Harry Hamlin has a shot, but I don’t see Mad Men picking up anything on Emmy night. Nathan Lane is the lesser of the two TGW guest actors and I’m not ruling him out, but it’s between MJF and Rupert Friend. If I had to rank one over the other in terms of predicting it’d be MJF simply because it’s MJF and Emmy voters love him, but it is a close race between them.

    Drama Guest Actress:

    1. Jane Fonda

    2. Carrie Preston

    3. Margo Martindale

    4. Linda Cardelinni

    5. Diana Rigg

    6. Joan Cusack

    I’m sorry, I just can’t see Joan Cusack winning. She hasn’t won in the past for this role and the others are better. I think the reason why Diana Rigg got in was because of the increased GOT nominations since she doesn’t do much in this episode. Linda Cardelinni has the same reasons as Harry Hamlin. Margo Martindale has a shot at winning. Even though The Americans didn’t get as many nominations as expected, she’s very strong in this episode. Carrie Preston is another strong one and has the benefit that TGW hasn’t lost in this category yet, but I’m predicting that’ll change this year with Jane Fonda. She’s great in the scene she’s in and she’s one of the most recognizable actresses.

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    KT
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    I’m sorry but that’s the completely wrong reading of Joan Cusack’s performance.  I think it is very moving work, how she balances emotions in her submission with a character known for her optimism.  The only thing not working in her favor is the show being polarizing—it’s the best performance here.  Jane Fonda’s in first, but I could see Cusack winning, as I’ve posted in this forum before.

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    Daniel Montgomery
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    Joan Cusack surprised me more than anyone else in this category. I watched a few episodes of “Shameless” in season one, but none since, except her three Emmy reels. I thought the last two were nonstarters, but when watching this one I thought, “Wow, where did that come from?” Emotionally impactful, sympathetic, kinda heartbreaking actually without even knowing the storyline, and despite some kinky sex stuff not as much distracting weirdness as in her previous submissions. Just judging the performances and not necessarily their chances, Cusack’s was my second favorite behind Fonda.

    I move Cusack down to 3rd behind Preston because “Good Wife” has proven itself more with the Emmy acting branch. In fact, Preston’s episode this year is better than the one Martha Plimpton won for last year, though this year has a stronger group of submissions altogether.

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    Marcus Dixon
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    I’m very confident about Jane Fonda winning.

    I’m 50/50 on Justin Timberlake winning.

    I have no confidence at all in my other picks Michael J. Fox and Kristin Wiig.

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    Riley
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    21:10 Chris just drank from a red Solo cup!  Four categories in thirty-six minutes?  Wow.

    I
    like how all eight editors have Robert Morse in sixth place.  Dan
    Bucatinsky would be my least favourite Emmy win ever if it happens.  Is
    anyone with me on that?  Only Tom has him winning, but all of the
    editors have him in the top three.  As for Rupert Friend, yes, he has
    that one moment, but does one moment make a great tape?  Counteracting
    his one moment is also his age because everyone else in this category is
    a veteran actor.  I will subscribe to my own theory, which Chris so
    nicely alluded to during the chat and you can read on the Gold Derby blog at this link, by concluding that this will be one of those times in which the tapes are thrown out.

    I found all of the nominated Saturday Night Lives
    hosts underwhelming.  In guest actor, there is an alternative in Bob
    Newhart.  It is far from an Emmy-winning performance, but he makes up
    for it with his recent media coverage about how he has never won an Emmy
    and how the Critics’ Choice awarded him as such.  Even if Justin
    Timberlake and Louis C.K. have the best tapes, they were disappointing. 
    No matter who they are up against, I would feel inclined not to mark
    them at the top of my ballot if I were voting.  I feel the same way in
    guest actress, but I do not feel that there is an alternative.  People
    like Melissa Leo, but she just won an Oscar, so there is not that same
    need to award her like with Newhart.  Unlike many, I did not find her
    tape that special either.  It is an interesting story, but was there
    incredible range or something in the way that she yelled at Louie to eat
    her out?  No, there was not.

    Guest actress is a tricky one for
    me.  I have been predicting Carrie Preston exactly for the reasons that
    Chris outlines and I was disappointed by Rob’s initial testimony for the
    prediction, calling the character “extremely likeable” and “very
    well-written”.  What?  Just like Martha Plimpton, this is a baity
    character who was previously overlooked by the Emmys.  But I think that I
    also feel the same way as Tom, who said, “I don’t see a great
    performance here”.  I was underwhelmed by the tape and would not vote
    for Preston.  The character is excessive, the jokes are stupid and I do not feel that she has
    an innate charisma to her like Plimpton.

    I have just switched my
    prediction to Margo Martindale, an opinion taken by none of the editors
    or the top forty-eight users.  Watching The Americans,
    Martindale struck me as serviceable.  She seemed to be doing a similiar
    shtick to her Mags Bennett role to me; it is not a bad performance by
    any means, but it is nothing new.  A month and a half ago, I had her way
    down in fifth place.  She won just a couple of years ago and everyone
    remembers that, so I did not see anyone voting for her if they ignore
    the tapes.  More importantly, I was expecting these other tapes to be
    better and they just were not.

    Jane Fonda does a good job yelling, but at the end of the day, her
    entire performance is delivered from a chair.  Is that a character or a
    monologue?  Never having seen Shameless before, the episode
    made me a fan of Emmy Rossum, but the BDSM storyline turned me off of
    Joan Cusack.  That stuff can be hot, but Shameless intentionally presented it with zero sexiness so that it just seemed gross.  Like, hanging yourself?  Too bad that Diana Rigg suffers from the tape system so horribly.  She is just a guest actress after all and not one committing category fraud *cough* Margo Martindale and Joan Cusack *cough* and never has much screen time in any given episode.  But if you strung all of her scenes from the season together into one tape, you would probably see how she got the nomination and I am honestly rooting for her to win here.

    Margo
    Martindale’s tape has a lot of action.  She gets to kill someone, she
    plays mind games, she is present at a life-or-death surgery and she even
    gets to drive a fast car.  It is a lot more than just yelling from a
    chair (or for the first half of that tape, just sitting silently in a
    chair).

    I need to watch the edited reels before making a final
    decision, but for now Margo Martindale, Harry Hamlin, Bob Newhart and
    Melissa McCarthy are my predictions.  Not a single editor, expert or top
    forty-eight user is predicting Hamlin whee!

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    CanadianFan
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    Hamlin winning for “Mad Men” would be quite insane. I agree with you about Rigg; she is consistently great in GoT, but the tape system absolutely kills her chances. If voters watched the entire season, she would have a much better shot. Shameless, for all of its (many) faults, has fantastic performances from Emmy Rossum, Joan Cusack, William H. Macy and the young guys playing Ian and Lip. Hamlin is actually better as a guest on “Shameless” as Ian’s creepy love interest than his limited role on “Mad Men”.

    Right now, I have:
    1. Melissa Leo
    2. Melissa McCarthy
    3. Elaine stritch
    ————————
    1. Louis CK
    2. Bob Newhart
    3. Justin Timberlake
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     1. Carrie Preston
    2. Jane Fonda
    3. Joan Cusack
    —————————
     1. Rupert Friend
    2. Nathan Lane
    3. Dan Bucatinsky 

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    Ghost
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    Alright, I might have been a bit too harsh on her, moving her up to 4th

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    Kevin
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    I have just switched my
    prediction to Margo Martindale, an opinion taken by none of the editors
    or the top forty-eight users.  Watching The Americans,
    Martindale struck me as serviceable.  She seemed to be doing a similiar
    shtick to her Mags Bennett role to me; it is not a bad performance by
    any means, but it is nothing new.  A month and a half ago, I had her way
    down in fifth place.  She won just a couple of years ago and everyone
    remembers that, so I did not see anyone voting for her if they ignore
    the tapes.  More importantly, I was expecting these other tapes to be
    better and they just were not.

    Margo
    Martindale’s tape has a lot of action.  She gets to kill someone, she
    plays mind games, she is present at a life-or-death surgery and she even
    gets to drive a fast car.  It is a lot more than just yelling from a
    chair (or for the first half of that tape, just sitting silently in a
    chair).

    I’m predicting Martindale for this exact reason.  She had the least boring tape in Guest Actress, and she has a lot of screentime.  I wouldn’t be surprised if she takes it. 

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    With that in mind, I checked your predictions and was surprised to see that you have different winners from me in eleven categories.  This is the only upset that we agree on.

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    SaraR
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    Riley, I think your theory about voters just picking their favorite if no tape really stands out as excellent is really interesting. But do you think that Harry Hamlin is really more beloved than Michael J. Fox among voters?

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    Riley
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    I think that there is no urgency to award Fox because he has already won five times and will win a sixth next year.  Plus, he has been passed over twice for this role already with better submissions.  I am predicting Hamlin to win for the same reason that I predicted him to be nominated.  He does not deserve recognition for this role, but he is a veteran actor at this point without an Emmy now on an Emmy show in a weak field.  Those are flimsy reasons though, so gut is playing a role.

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    SaraR
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    No urgency to award Fox makes sense, I suppose, but might voters have felt that way when he was on his way to five Emmys?

    My flimsy reason for not predicting Hamlin is that I think voters would feel weird about Hamlin winning the first (and possibly only) acting Emmy for Mad Men.

    One thing Rupert Friend has going for him is that his tape is “exciting,” as you mentioned for Martindale. Everyone remembers that knife to the hand move.

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