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  • Daniel Montgomery
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    “Doctor Who” is airing now. The long-awaited “Torchwood: Miracle Day” arrives this summer. Who wants to geek out with me? 

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    Andrew Pickett
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    The new series of Doctor Who which ends this week (before returning later in the year) in the UK has been OK but nowhere near as good as Matt Smith’s first season. I am looking forward to Torchwood, the promos have been airing for a while so it must be on pretty soon.

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    Daniel Montgomery
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    I think this season has been very good, though I agree so far it’s not quite at the level of season five. But the opening two-parter “The Impossible Astronaut/Day of thee Moon” were among the series’ absolute best. No one is more inventive when it comes to creating villains than Steven Moffat. First the Weeping Angels, then the Vashta Narada, and this time the Silence.

     

    I know the Emmys have these rules about foreign productions needing to be co-produced by an American source or something or other, but how come shows like “Doctor Who” and “Torchwood” haven’t been eligible, but other British productions like “Luther” and “Secret Diary of a Call Girl” have qualified to be on the ballot. And now that “Torchwood’s” new season takes place in the US and is airing on Starz, does that mean it will finally be eligible for Emmy consideration?

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    Andrew Pickett
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    Torchwood should definitely be eligible for next year’s Emmys now it is a proper co-production. I think shows that air on BBC America are mostly UK productions only so most of them aren’t eligible.

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    Daniel Montgomery
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    Torchwood should definitely be eligible for next year’s Emmys now it is a proper co-production. I think shows that air on BBC America are mostly UK productions only so most of them aren’t eligible.

     

    Yet “Luther” is eligible. That aired on BBC America. And for three or four seasons “Doctor Who” aired in the US on Syfy (formerly Sci-Fi) and it still didn’t end up submitted. I’m just wondering who the American co-producers on some of these programs are and how they’re determined and verified.

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    Daniel Montgomery
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    I just have to take a moment to geek out of the “Doctor Who” mid-season finale. If this show were eligible for Emmys, I can’t think of a more satisfying drama series this year. Maybe if they fly out an American producer to visit the set that’ll be good enough to qualify it as a co-production and earn it some well deserved nominations, which this year would include Best Actor, Best Writing, Best Guest Actress (Alex Kingston), and Best Drama.

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    After watching the first three seasons of “Torchwood” in the span of about a week and a half, I think it goes

    without saying I’m wildly excited for “Miracle Day”. 

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    Robert William McCormack
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    Very compelling premiere episode. Despite all the new additions, the show definitely retained it’s original charm and I certainly appreciated the nods towards the early seasons. I’m just thrilled to have Barrowman and Myles, though Bill Pullman was all sorts of terrific in his few scenes tonight. It looks like he going to be a real scene-stealer this season.

     

    Mekhi Phifer was the only one who really did’t work here. Rex felt broadly painted and came off as exceedingly grating. I’m sure that’s the point, but I hope he gets some more layers as the season progresses, especially if he’s going to continue to play as large a part as he did here.

     

    Episode Grade for “The New World”: A- 

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    Daniel Montgomery
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    I agree about Phifer. He seemed a bit overwrought, especially that weird montage where he was on the phone with Alexa Havins, booking a flight, then on a plane, then pulling up to Gwen’s house in Wales. I think he needs to settle down.

     

    Otherwise, a good premiere. Not as thrilling as the “Children of Earth” opener, but this season will be twice as long so they need to pace themselves. I’m happy with the premiere, and hope to get happier as the season progresses.

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    Daniel Montgomery
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    BUMP

     

    “Torchwood: Miracle Day” was very not good, but “Doctor Who” season 6.2 has been some of the best “Doctor Who” I’ve seen.

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    Hmm, I really enjoyed Torchwood: Miracle Day.

     

    Do you think Starz will submit it as a drama series or a miniseries next year?

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    Daniel Montgomery
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    Hard to say. It would be hard to get away with a miniseries placement considering it’s ten episodes long and it’s the fourth season of the show. But since it tells one complete story it’s certainly a more credible miniseries than “Luther.”

     

    I thought “Miracle Day” was a mess, though (SPOILERS ABOUND):

     

    – Huge lapses in continuity — the Lauren Ambrose character has a different personality depending on the episode, plus how the miracle manifests itself is different in the end than it is at the beginning. Consider the man who blows up in the first or second episode. He’s burned to a crisp, but he’s still conscious, alive, aware. Also, the woman with the broken neck who keeps on walking. But after that comes the “category 1” drama, which completely changes — almost nullifies — the rules of no-death. Actually the “category 1” twist makes the fascinating implications of no-death almost entirely moot.

     

    – The Final Solution allegory in “Children of Earth” snuck up on you, and it was brilliant. Here, Russell T. Davies goes back to the same well with his category 1 concentration camps, but this time it feels forced.

     

    – They never found a purpose for Bill Pullman‘s character, which is never more evident than in the last episodes, where they’re clearly struggling to work him into the plot.

     

    – The show takes too much after “24” — not good seasons 1-5 “24” but lousy seasons 6-8 “24.” Abrupt and arbitrary character “deaths”; a silly CIA “Whack-a-mole” plot; over-the-top, one-note villains; a story that seems to make itself up as it goes along.

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    I still haven’t watched the fifth or sixth season of “Doctor Who”; I’ve caught a few moments here and there but for some reason I can’t bring myself to watch it. I know that the whole point is that the doctor changes yet it bothers me that they simply don’t acknowledge a lot of what happened in 1-4.

     

    The last assumption could be completely wrong, so someone please correct me if I am incorrect, the only thing I am aware that they acknowledge is River Song…who I could not stand in season four.

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    Daniel Montgomery
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    I don’t think there have been many overt references to what has come before, but there is certainly acknowledgement. I don’t remember the exact context, but in one scene this year Matt Smith’s Doctor is interfacting with the Tardis, and it creates avatars based on Rose and Martha and Donna, and the Doctor rejects them: he wants to talk to an avatar whose life he hasn’t ruined. It’s a great, funny moment, but also touching. And of course there is always the weight and guilt and responsibility of what happens to his companions.

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    Daniel Montgomery
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    For season-long storytelling, you can’t beat season six of “Doctor Who.” What a splendid season finale, utilizing again another brilliant alien creation by Steven Moffat: the Silence, whom you don’t remember unless you’re looking at them. The way he doubled the season-long arc back on itself, subverted it, called back details from previous episodes, and explored new avenues while always playing fair with the rules he sets up for himself — and that’s no small task on a show with so many timey-wimey backflips — makes him one of the most gifted storytellers currently working on television, and possibly TV’s best fantasy writer since Joss Whedon. It’s storytelling so complex and assured that it almost qualifies as architecture.

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