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  • forwardswill
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    Not sure if there is a thread on not for this yet but if there is I’ll gladly be redirected. 

    Whilst not the biggest Outlander fan (and barely a fan at all compared to some of those in Twitter) I enjoyed the last season. Although it was occasionally too slow or, conversely, too rushed at times I thought it had some exquisite episodes such as “The Devil’s Mark”. I also really liked the performances of Balfe, Menzies and Heughan. The latter two in particular stood out for me due to their performances in the final two episodes. That said, Balfe, whilst strong, to me did not overly warrant a Golden Globe nod even if I was happy when she was recognised as part of the show.

    This new season appears to be quite strongly well received from the critics, particularly compared to last season. Its currently at 100% on Rotten Tomatoes and 85 on Metacritic (where it also the 6th highest rated show of the year so far). 

    Having watched this weekend, I thought the S2 premiere episode “Through a Glass, Darkly” was one of the strongest episodes the show has produced so far (particularly the first half) and Menzies and actually Balfe both produced strong work.

    Is anyone else watching? If so, discuss. 

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    I don’t think there’s a thread – but so happy there is one now!

    I am a huge Outlander fan and it baffles me, and annoys me, that the show so easily gets dismissed. I loved the buzz that came from the Golden Globes and I think they deserved the recognition. Especially the actors. Cait continues to amaze me because she truly carries the show.

    The S2 premiere was so well-done, so emotional. The first half in particular had me tearing up multiple times. Cait’s wail when she first got out of the stones, the coldness in her….and of course Tobias was really powerful.

    I am so excited for the season. I hope it gets recognized more and more. 

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    Lord Freddy Blackfyre
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    The premiere used the same structure of the pilot but in reverse. Tobias Menzies is even better than last season.

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    Why do you say in reverse? The series premiere had 30/40 minutes with Frank in the 1940s and then switched to the 1700s with Jamie, just like the Season 2 premiere. 

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    Lord Freddy Blackfyre
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    Instead of going to the past the lead character move to the future/present.

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    Courtney
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    Yeah, but the actual structure of the episode was the same as the S1 premiere with first the 1940s then Claire in the 1700s. Claire is technically still in the past too. 

    Do we think there is any chance that this show will be recognized?  

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    I am glad that someone made a thread! I was thinking of starting one myself but considering the outright rage after its GG and Gold Derby Awards noms/wins I thought better of it.

    Dragonfly in Amber is probably my favorite of the books I’ve read (I think I’ve read about five?) so I am really looking forward to this season.

    Anyway, the premiere was absolutely excellent – great set up for what is to come in France. I can’t wait until we get into some of the scenes of palace intrigue/spy games, etc. Also Fergus!

    The reviews have actually been very high – 85 on metacritic which puts
    it well above other shows that users on her deem more Emmy worthy. Despite that, in terms of Emmys I don’t really see it making an impact outside of maybe costume design and some other technicals maybe but who knows. I don’t think that Starz has the capacity to move up into the bigger categories yet but if they had a show to do it with it would definitely be Outlander. This show definitely incites a strong feeling in people good or bad.

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    “I am glad that someone made a thread! I was thinking of starting one myself but considering the outright rage after its GG and Gold Derby Awards noms/wins I thought better of it. “

    Before my time here — but people were upset when it was nominated? Hmmm.

    Yeah the reviews have been great so far and the ratings were great too. 1.5 million just for linear on-air. I’m eager to see repeats and on all platforms. That’s great for Starz…especially compared to other cable series, like Vinyl and Billions.

    I don’t know why people are so against this series? Is it because it’s from the female perspective? Is it because there is a love story that is centric to the narrative? I mean, it’s a beautiful show technically – costume, design, location, etc. The acting is outstanding. And the story is original and powerful. The pacing was a bit off at times, but when it was good, it was incredible.  

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    Nobody has anything against the series; it is just that the boards and awards were swarmed briefly by Outlander fans that had mobilized on Twitter, so the wins and nominations were perceived as not being reflective of the day-to-day community here.

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    Well I’d say the show has a fantastic chance of being nominated in one category: Costume Design. Almost every single review I’ve read for this season has praised the costuming so I could definitely see even a win there.

    Other than that unfortunately, I am not optimistic. Outlander doesn’t really strike me as the kind of show the Emmys would go for and if it couldn’t get any major nominations last year when it was more buzzed I would be surprised if it could this time around.

    That said, this season does have critical acclaim as well as the show coming off three Golden Globe nominations so I wouldn’t say it’s impossible. Ratings are also peaking so maybe momentum can build into voting time. Also, following the Globes the show seems to be campaigning hard this year as they have now seen it pay off so maybe Emmy voters will be similarly convinced. If the show can get any nominations I would say Menzies is its best shot as he gives the most interesting performance and his category is not quite as Drama Actress or Actor. Frankly, I wouldn’t actually be totally shocked, in the imaginary world of the show actually getting nominated, to see Outlander nominated in Series and nowhere else majorly as Series seems a bit less concrete this year. 

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    “Nobody has anything against the series; it is just that the boards and awards were swarmed briefly by Outlander fans that had mobilized on Twitter, so the wins and nominations were perceived as not being reflective of the day-to-day community here.”

    Interesting. Didn’t know that. I did see a lot of GoldDerby blog posts about the series though around GG.

    But I meant why in general are people against the series – it could be because it doesn’t fall into the traditional idea of what an Emmy series is. But I think that’s a major problem with the Emmys. They vote for the same series and actors/actresses over and over again when I, personally, believe there is much better TV out there (than some of the noms, of course a lot of the series deserve their nominations). I’d like to see new material, new talent and I think Outlander deserves recognition.

    If it doesn’t get in after S2, I’m not sure it ever will but there is definitely momentum for it with the reviews, ratings increase, buzz, and GG noms.  

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    That 85 is unexpected, even if only from eleven reviews on Metacritic (average 8.4 score on Rotten Tomatoes from twenty).  Also unexpected was the Golden Globe surge.  It was perfectly set for a big embrace for its first year, so I thought that the Globes had just missed the boat on it.  If the show can muster up a surprise TCA drama nomination, I will take it a bit more seriously, but for now, I would rank it about eighteenth in terms of most likely to get an Emmy series nomination.  The critics have nothing to do with the Emmys, but it would be helpful to know just how much momentum the series has.  It appeared on almost no top-ten lists and this 85 may just be a result of the few who are watching loving it, hence why they are the ones still watching.  It is in contention for a costume nomination after its guild nomination, but some combination of Game of Thrones, Downton Abbey, The Knick and Vinyl should edge it out pretty handily.  Remember that nominees for period/fantasy costumes are proportional to the submissions, i.e. there are only three slots for dramas because movies/limited series will take two.

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    This year has been great for series with good production design, costume and hairstyling. I think my two favorites are not eligible (Versailles and Deutschland 83) but from the ones that are eligible: Penny Dreadful (this one should win costume hands down), War & Peace, The Knick, Downton Abbey (the series finale has great costume), Vinyl, Fargo and Hannibal.

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    I agree, I great year for costume and production design. I love looking at the clothes on Vinyl, especially Olivia’s Wilde’s. 

    Though I watched the panel with the Outlander cast where they interviewed the costume designer, Terry Dresbach, and the amount of work and detail that went into making these costumes – wow. I knew, of course, it took a lot of word, but some of Claire’s dresses apparently took months to make. I was beyond impressed. And some of their new sets this year, again, I was super impressed.

    But I’m not getting my hopes up. Some excellent shows will never get recognized.

     

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    What do you guys think of the actors chances? Like I said, I don’t think any of them have much of a chance. But yesterday I noticed two of the editors had Balfe predicted. I personally don’t see her having a chance and people are simply underestimating Michelle Dockery in that category.

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