July 24, 2015 at 6:14 pm #355472
Following CanadianFan’s idea, and now that the episodes are all out in the open, let’s use this topic to analise the Comedy race, one of the most difficult to predict this year.
BEST COMEDY SERIES EPISODE SUBMISSIONS:
“Pot Luck,” “A La Carte,” “Cop Story,” “Bobby’s House,” “Untitled,” “The Road Part 1”
(Episodes number 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 7 respectively)
“Closet? You’ll Love It,” “Connection Lost,” “Spring Break,” “Marco Polo,” “American Skyper,” “The Day We Almost Died”
(Episodes number 17, 16, 18, 4, 24 and 11 respectively)
“PARKS AND RECREATION”
“Leslie and Ron,” “Mrs. Ludgate-Dwyer Goes to Washington,” “Johnny Karate Super Awesome Musical Explosion Show,” “Pie-Mary,” “One Last Ride” (one hour)
(Episodes number 4, 8, 10, 9, 12-13 respectively)
“Sand Hill Shuffle,” “Runaway Devaluation,” “Bad Money,” “Server Space,” “Binding Arbitration,” “Two Days of the Condor”
(Episodes number 1, 2, 3, 5, 9 and 10 respectively)
“Pilot,” “Rollin’,” “Moppa,” “Symbolic Exemplar,” “Best New Girl,” “Looking Up”
(Episodes number 1, 3, 4, 7, 8 and 9 respectively)
“UNBREAKABLE KIMMY SCHMIDT”
“Kimmy Goes Outside,” “Kimmy Goes on a Date,” “Kimmy Kisses a Boy,” “Kimmy Goes to a Party,” “Kimmy’s in a Love Triangle,” “Kimmy Goes to Court”
(Episodes number 1, 3, 5, 8, 10 and 12 respectively)
“East Wing,” “Data,” “Convention,” “Mommy Meyer,” “B/ill,” “Testimony”
(Episodes number 2, 3, 5, 7, 8 and 9 respectively)July 24, 2015 at 6:28 pm #355474
[quote=”TWJoeMarino”]Louie didn’t go with
“Sleepover” even though it’s up for Directing. Veep didn’t go with
“Election Night” even though it’s up for Writing.
Esp weird since
in each case, that was the ONLY submission in the category so clearly
they knew those were standouts. Huh.[/quote]Nothing more to say about
this, but I will quote it anyway. I guess voters would have had to
watch five Veep episodes before they got to the finale anyway
and if they are actually watching five episodes, chances are that they
really like the show.
Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt did not submit the plastic surgery episode?
Transparent did not submit their highest-rated episode on IMDb, nor did they submit the one that the WGA nominated.
did not submit Gold Derby favourite “Homicide”. (It is the only
episode from the show that is a semifinalist for Comedy Episode of the
Year at the Gold Derby TV Awards.) I think that they leaned a bit heavy
on the first half of the season.July 24, 2015 at 6:35 pm #355475
Wow at Kimmy not submitting School. I’m watching Court and it’s not as bad as I remembered. Not going with Doctor also seems like an odd choice. I would’ve chosen those two over Triangle. It’s not winning of course, but still, good job.
Why didn’t Veep go with Election Night?
I’m thinking Modern Family wins again. So awful.July 24, 2015 at 6:37 pm #355476
Best eps according to IMDB, vs. whether it was submitted:
One Last Ride: yes, yes
Leslie and Ron: yes
Donna and Joe.
Johnny Karate is 10th and Ms Ludgate is 11th of 13.
If they picked the exact middle of their episodes, that would be an average of…7.
1+2+3+5+10+11)/6=5.3. That’s 76% of 7.
2 Days of the Condor: yes
Binding Arbitration: yes
Sand Hill Shuffle: yes
White Hat Black Hat
Bad Money is 7th, Server Space is 8th, Runaway is 9th of 10.
If they picked the middle of their eps, that would be an average of…5.5
Why Do We Cover the Mirrors
Symbolic Exemplar: yes
Best New Girl: yes
Looking Up is 7th, Pilot is 8th, Rollin’ is 10th of 10.
Middle-ep average: 5.5.
2+3+4+7+8+10)/6=5.7. That’s 104% of average.
Pot Luck: yes
A La Carte: yes
Cop Story: yes
Bobby’s House is 7th, Road Pt One is 8th of 8.
Middle-ep average: 4.5.
1+2+3+4+7+8)/6=4.2. That’s 93% of average (4.5).
East Wing: yes
Data is 7th and Mommy Meyer 8th of 10.
Middle-ep average would be 5.5.
2+3+5+6+7+8)/6=5.2. 95% of average (5.5).
Connection Lost: yes
American Skyper: yes
Crying Out Loud
Knock Em Down
Almost Died is 8th, Marco Polo is 13th, Closet is 18th, Spring Break is 24th of 24.
Middle-ep average: 12.5.
1+2+8+13+18+24)/6=11. That’s 88% of average (12.5).
& though I think Kimmy submitted well, let’s see that too:
Goes to a Party: yes
Love Triangle: yes
Kisses a Boy: yes
Goes on a Date: yes
Court is 10th and Outside 13th of 13.
Middle-ep average: 7.
1+2+4+6+10+13)/6=6. That’s…86% of average.
Now IMDB may not be representative of Emmy voters, but ranked:
1. Parks 76% – Chose their 3 best and neither of their bottom 2.
2. Kimmy 86% – Chose their 2 best.
3. Modern Family 88% – Chose their 2 best. Because there are so many more options and thus so many more ways to eff things up (as opposed to a show with, say, 8 eps), the bar is lower for having an average of quality submissions.
4. Louie 93% – Chose their 4 best.
5. Veep 95% – Ignored their best.
6. Silicon Valley 100% – Chose their best one.
7. Transparent 104% – Ignored their best, but chose the next 3 in quality, then went with the bottom.
4/6 Parks, Kimmy, Louie, Veep; 3/6 Silicon, Transparent; 2/6 Modern Family
Well NBC historically was the best at getting Series awards…
Weird that it might appear that the ONLY shows submitting better than MF are the other ones that couldn’t get Writing or Directing nods.July 24, 2015 at 6:37 pm #355477
I just assume that the Kimmy Schmidt people decided to completely forgo submitting the Doctor episode for anything following the suicide of the real-life inspiration. I thought that that was why they didn’t put Martin Short on the ballot.July 24, 2015 at 6:45 pm #355479
How many eps do you think voters will honestly look at?
I think an average voter could feel more-or-less like they’re dong their ‘job’ right if they watch 1 ep of each of their non-faves and consider that a decent sample, then ranking their fave 1st and the rest by that 1 ep. “I mean, hey, I watched every nominee.”July 24, 2015 at 6:50 pm #355480
Just to get an average score for the submitted episodes based on IMDb
Average Score – 8.48
Average Score – 8.18
Parks & Recreation
Average Score – 8.98
Average Score – 8.56
Average Score – 7,70
Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt
Average Score – 8.06
Average Score – 8.67
Based on average IMDb scores of the episodes Parks & Recreation should win this award, which I think is deservedly so. But since the episode submissions actually don’t mean anything they might not be so lucky.
For me I’ll be happy as long as Transparent does not win (don’t watch Louie so can’t say anything about it)July 24, 2015 at 6:54 pm #355481
I find comparing IMDB scores across shows to be useless cuz some shows have fanboys giving crazy-high 10s to almost everything, with other shows having more reasonable fans who actually differentiate quality levels for different episodes.
I mean, Christopher Nolan and Peter Jackson are not that mindblowing, people.July 24, 2015 at 6:56 pm #355482
As I’ve said in the other thread, Parks and Rec’s choices wipe the floor with Modern Family’s.
I just feel like there’s no excuse for Modern Family to win again, especially with the new voting. People complain that shows like Louie/Veep are too niche and cynical, or Orange (last year) or Transparent (this year) are too dramatic. A show can supposedly only win if it’s broad, relatively inoffensive, semi-family friendly and ha-ha funny. So, if voters are looking for a show that is comedic enough, and is accessible, Emmy-friendly, easy to watch, AND submitted 6 good episodes? Well, you’ve got two this year: Kimmy and Parks.The “No one else came up with 6 good tapes like Modern Family did!!!” or “Everything else is just too dramatic!” arguments don’t work this time around, imo.July 24, 2015 at 7:38 pm #355483
The problem with either of them winning is that since 1962, aside from a weird 2 years when all the ‘comedy’ writing/directing noms were for variety programs that weren’t classified as comedy series, the ONLY time that a show won without directing or directing noms is 2002, the coronation of the king of TV Friends along with a lead win for Aniston’s baity baby storyline/ep (among the 3 of only 10 lead nominees, unlike the current nonsense of 13) and double editing noms.
As opposed to lead-missing Kimmy and 1-acting-nominee Parks, both without editing noms.
Now MF is in a similar situation this year, but…voters have proven themselves to be in total love with the show, so we’ll have to see…July 24, 2015 at 9:09 pm #355484
Symbolic Exampler is the best and most comedic episode of the show, good for Transparent. That dildo scene was gold.
And it also could have been a better showcase for Jeffrey Tambor(She performs at a transgender talent show but she realizes all of her children deserted her while she needed them most.) but he went with The Letting Go which he practically did nothing and had barely on screen. It has that ”All my life I’ve been dressing up as a man.” monologue, though.
I can’t believe most of the networks and publicits always think about one scene only, instead of the whole episode.July 24, 2015 at 9:12 pm #355485
I really like 5/6 of ‘Modern Family’ submissions. “Spring Break” is a dud, though.
Why didn’t ‘Veep’ submit the finale? Do they think people will have already watched it due to its writing nom, and it being JLD’s tape?July 24, 2015 at 9:25 pm #355486
Why didn’t ‘Veep’ submit the finale? Do they think people will have already watched it due to its writing nom, and it being JLD’s tape?
I’m just finishing up my rewatch of Veep’s episodes and there’s some sort of progressive logic in it, and I think this might be the main reason for the “Election Night” omission. The first episode starts the Family First bill and the data breach arcs, we go through all of its build up and twists, and it ends in ‘Testimony’ with the depositions and fall out. It’s still stupid not to send their best episode (and the second best one too, as well), but I feel like they might’ve thought that the finale would distune from the rest of it.July 25, 2015 at 12:34 am #355487
Ehm, can someone tell me why Louie is out of the question for winning Comedy series and Veep and even Parks and Rec. has better odds at winning the big trophy according to the prediction center.
If I remember correctly, it is the most consistent show of that category that getting Acting/Directing/Writing nominee every year for its all 5 seasons(It only missed one Directing nom. in season 1), on the other hand this is Veep’s first Directing nomination after 3 consecutive snubs(How can everyone sees Armando Ianucci as a lock in that category is beyond me.And if I remember correctly some says it’s not that kinda special episode on directing aspect so it could even be a filler nominee.) As for guilds, Louie won two WGA just this year, both for Comedic Episode and also Best Comedy Series as well. While Veep hasn’t even garnered a single DGA nom. yet.
If you want to see a show that have supports from the industry in every area, just look at Transparent or Louie.
And we’re talking about a one-person show, so it’s not like that it could dominate the Emmys with acting nominations even if voters were crazy about that. It’s only other legitimate shot than Louis C.K was Pamela Adlon and they also managed to got her in the Guest category.
Yea, some could say it had a sub-par season, but who cares? So was the half of the nominees in Series categories. It’s still one of the highest rated shows on 2015 on Metacritic and its place is definitely higher than Veep.