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  • Tom O’Neil
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    #317912

    This time I duke it out with Marcus Dixon and Ralph Galvan — See our video or else listen to the audio podcast —

    http://shar.es/V37gG

     
     If you missed our smackdown over the top races for Best Drama Series, Lead Actor and Actress, CLICK HERE
     
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    Graeme O’Neil
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    Sorry Marcus. “Orange Is The New Black” is not going to win. The Globes and SAG didn’t go for it. I love how your argument that if OITNB was nominated at the Globes, it would have won…but it wasn’t even nominated. 
    The Emmys love COMEDIES. Not shows that dramedies. It’s very hard for those to pull off a win. Ally McBeal should have won for season 1, but it lost, and got the makeup award for the lesser season 2. Plus OITNB is totally female focused. That’s gonna turn some male viewers off.

    OITNB is not going to be the show that upsets the solid Modern Family. If anyone does it, Veep will do it. 

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    CanadianFan
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    A few things:

    – Marcus’ analogy between Veep and Breaking Bad is nice, but it’s half-wrong. BB was nominated for directing for season one (“Pilot”), season three (“One Minute”), and season four (“Face Off”) before it win drama series for season 5A. Writing was the category that BB couldn’t break into until the year it won drama series. It was never nominated until last year, which is why it was a huge deal that it scored two nominations! With that said, just because Veep hasn’t gotten into writing or directing yet doesn’t mean it never will (I agree with Marcus on that point). After all, despite not receiving any WGA nominations for specific episodes, Veep won the WGA for comedy series! Clearly, writers like the show, but there is something else going on there (vote-splitting, submitting too many episodes, just missing the top five, etc.)

    EDIT: Unless Marcus meant the combination of writing and directing in the same year. That would be correct.

    – Jim Parsons did not win three consecutive Emmys because Jon Cryer beat him in-between his second and third wins. 

    – Ralph is crazy for thinking Silicon Valley is ahead of Veep. He cites metacritic in which it has an 84, but Veep is higher, and only second to Louie for comedy series. Let’s go through the reasons: Silicon Valley is very male-skewing, whereas Veep appeals to a wider audience with a topic we know voters love (politics!) which gives it snob appeal. The show also has a buzzy arc with Selina running for President, and it has awards momentum (WGA win, nomination for series at SAG, and so on). We know the actors love it, the writers presumably like it, so all of the pieces are there… In fact, some people are predicting Veep to expand its acting nominations, and most here aren’t even sure that Silicon Valley will get any of their cast nominated. When was the last time a comedy series was nominated without any cast members being there? It’s been years. 

    -To that point, you guys neglected to mention Silicon Valley‘s best shot at an acting nom in Thomas Middleditch. I’m still on the fence between him and William H. Macy, but he is definitely in contention. I really like Marcus’ thoughts regarding Robin Williams, but I think the road to a nomination is very difficult for him. We saw Laura Dern get nominated after her show was cancelled, but I’m not sure Emmy voters will go for The Crazy Ones

    Louie does have something special going on this year. He is doing a six-part series of episodes titled “Elevator” which may mean more serialization and accessibility to voters. I’ve always felt that the show has too narrow a vision to win comedy series because it is just a collection of random short stories that Louis C.K. wants to film, but if it has an easy-to-follow arc, the show’s Emmy chances go way up. 

    -The finale of Brooklyn Nine-Nine is a great tape for Samberg because he has a big speech and professes his love (if I’m remembering correctly). He will certainly be competitive with it.

    If you guys need any more voices regarding this year’s Emmys, I’m always here, lurking around the forums… 

    Great chat!

     

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    David Buchanan
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    I really enjoyed this chat, too, as I typically follow more comedy series than drama series!

    Interesting that there was so much emphasis on the Golden Globes as potential precursors in the chat, yet two of the top acting contenders discussed (Anna Faris, Mom and Robin Williams, The Crazy Ones) did not receive nominations. Both of them, especially Faris, seemed like very likely nominees and would have been fairly competetive if nominated, so perhaps it’s telling that they both missed out. I’m still predicting both, but I’m still unconvinced that either are likely nominees or strong contenders to win.

    I think it’s pretty clear that Veep has much more support than Silicon Valley, which I don’t think will get into Comedy Series or Lead Actor. The field seems too crowded with perenial favorites with seemingly very little wiggle room, and I don’t think they have maintained the initial pre-debut critical buzz enough. Girls managed to get a nomination last year despite the long period between airing and Emmy voting, so I think it takes the place of SV.

    Thank you for reminding me of William H. Macy! I don’t think Emmy voters will be any more inclined to recognize Shameless in Comedy than they were in Drama, but Lead Actor in a Comedy Series is the weakest category of the four Comedy Acting and Macy is a large, respected name in the industry, so those two factors alone are certainly enough to consider him a viable threat.

    Oh and Tom, just like SxECanadianFanSxE, I’m available for a Comedy slugfest, too! We can reprise our performances in the Breaking Bad / Early Comedy Contender slugfest from late last year!

    Formerly known in the forums as PianoMann.

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    Riley
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    I think it’s pretty clear that Veep has much more support than Silicon Valley

    Veep is three points higher on Metacritic, but that was based on just ten reviews because many of the critics who do not love the show have stopped watching, whereas the Silicon Valley score was based on thirty-five reviews.  With that in mind, I would say that they are about even when it comes to critical acclaim.  Yes, Veep has a history of winning Emmys, but it also has a history of losing the top Emmy.  Silicon Valley has not been eligible for any awards so far.  I feel that the only place that we can say that one or the other is ahead is in ratings.  Since it has been leading out of Game of Thrones, Silicon Valley has been watched by more people.  So I am not sure how Veep has much more support, let alone it be pretty clear that that is the case.

    The field seems too crowded with perenial favorites with seemingly very little wiggle room

    This assumes that voters have already marked their ballots and will have to erase a title in order to add Silicon Valley, which is not the case.  Remember also that voters can mark up to ten entries on their comedy series ballots.

    I don’t think they have maintained the initial pre-debut critical buzz enough.

    It would appear that more critics and the like reviewed Silicon Valley than Veep last night.

    Lead actor is weird because five of the slots are locked and then there are ten guys who could get that sixth slot, which is now worrying me that more than one of them will get in, although Adam Scott does not have a chance.  If Robin Williams gets in, he could win.  I think that what we learned about Jim Parsons last year is that someone has to have a much better tape to beat him, like Jon Cryer did.  A tape from Steve Carell or Louis C.K. that is marginally better is not enough to overcome the default pick of Parsons.  Andy Samberg seems more likely to fall into the latter category, although the finale is a good tape and one that you all should see!

    I buy Marcus’s arguments about Orange is the New Black and Veep.  Ralph and Rob are the young R-named writers who dislike Girls—not me, Tom!  If there is another forum posters edition of the slugfest, I would also like to get in on that (unless it is about miniseries).  I interact with you guys everyday, so it would be great to talk to you.

    The way that I see it, Julia Louis-Dreyfus and Jim Parsons are the frontrunners, with Anna Faris, Taylor Schilling and Robin Williams as the dark horses.  Comedy series is between Modern Family, The Big Bang Theory (not out yet!), Veep, Louie, Silicon Valley and Orange is the New BlackVeep I probably have in sixth just because I think that HBO will sooner push Silicon Valley, but Veep can still close that gap in the nominations, so it is still in those six.  Really, I am only sure that Girls and Brooklyn Nine-Nine will not win, so I am not much help.

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    CanadianFan
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    You just won’t give up on The Big Bang Theory, will you?

    Surely if Veep scores 3-4 acting noms and Silicon Valley gets none, then the former is ahead? I guess we should put more weight into the writing and directing categories, but I have Veep making it in (the WGA win counts for something, I imagine)…

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    You make a lot of good points, thedemonhog, and I’ll try to respond to them in turn:

    The “support” for Veep that I called attention to goes beyond critical reviews / Metacritic aggregate, although you are correct to point out that there are far less reviews for Veep than Silicon.  For example, sites such as Huffington Post and The Wire do weekly “Best Insults” and “Incompetency Index,” respectively, and it was just called #1 Must See from Entertainment Weekly.  Of course, these aren’t particularly high-brow websites, but Veep seems to be the focus of popular media outlets, and I haven’t seen the same amount attention to Silicon Valley (please correct me if I’m wrong, but from the entertainment websites I visit, Silicon Valley doesn’t seem to register…).

    Of course, I know that voters start with a clean, blank ballot every year, but we’ve seen time and time again that Emmy voters often rubber stamp, especially previous nominees or favorites.  This is not to say that Silicon Valley can’t make it in, but there are a lot of returning nominees and new series fighting for very few slots.  Here’s my current prediction for Series:

    Locks

    1) Modern Family
    2) Veep
    3) Big Bang Theory
    4) Louie

    Then we have a) Orange is the New Black b) Brooklyn Nine-Nine c) Girls and d) Silicon Valley all vying for the final two slots.

    At this point, I’m unconvinced Silicon gets in over any of the other three.

    Formerly known in the forums as PianoMann.

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    Right now, there’s only 3 shows I can see taking down Modern Family: Louie, Brooklyn Nine-Nine, and Veep (if it gets writing and/or directing nods). Louie is on fire this season and Brooklyn Nine-Nine is in a very similar spot as 30 Rock. Considering the Directors branch didn’t even nominate Veep for it’s pilot when New Girl was able to get in, I don’t think they’re going to pick it up anytime soon. Writing is possible (I’m predicting it), but it’ll be tough.

    As for the rest, I don’t see anything worthy of winning. I have 5 episodes left of Orange is the New Black to watch, and while good, it’s too dramatic to win Comedy. The Big Bang Theory hasn’t been proven a success outside of Jim Parsons’ three wins and Bob Newhart’s makeup win, plus it’s in it’s 7th season and the writing and directing branches still haven’t caught on. I don’t think Silicon Valley has what it takes to get into Series right now, but it could be like Entourage where it takes a few years to get in. Girls and Parks and Rec are done IMO.

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    CanadianFan
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    Louie would be one of the last shows I would bet on for comedy series. It’s not broad enough to win, and some voters will probably rank it last, which will kill its chances.

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    If you guys need any more voices regarding this year’s Emmys, I’m always here, lurking around the forums… 

    Yes. Let Marcus and Dylan talk about how Survivor needs to be nominated and win Reality Competition Series. We have to watch out for Emmy darling The Amazing Race though. It has its all star season in play. I doubt we’ll see The Voice repeat.

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    Interesting chat. I think supporting comedy races is another interesting conversation that needs to happen. Also echoing notices earlier it would be great to participate in chats!

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    You just won’t give up on The Big Bang Theory, will you?

    Modern Family remains more vulnerable than ever and The Big Bang Theory remains more popular than ever.  Modern Family winning SAG and the like over The Big Bang Theory did not change that.  The nominations will give us a clearer picture: Will The Big Bang Theory
    again fail to get into directing and will it lose its series slot
    altogether?  Until then, there is hope.

    Surely
    if Veep scores 3-4 acting noms and Silicon Valley gets none, then the former is ahead?

    Yeah, which is why I said that Veep can still win if it does well in the nominations, but until it does, I have Silicon Valley ahead.

    Brooklyn Nine-Nine is in a very similar spot as
    30 Rock.

    I have seen this case made a few times and I take issue
    with it.  Sure, they have many of the same elements, but Brooklyn Nine-Nine does not nearly have the acclaim that 30 Rock did.  Like, just because Scandal is set in Washington does not mean that it will win best drama like The West Wing or even be nominated like House of Cards.

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