July 14, 2017 at 7:39 am #1202152225
I had actually posted this as a comment on the Comedy reactions thread, but this is something that I believe should have its own thread.
I’ll just post that comment here again:
Let’s not underestimate the Trump effect here. We knew Baldwin was getting in, but one of Jones’s best sketches was when she was portraying Trump (or trying to portray Trump lol). I don’t think it’s an co-incidence that SNL’s best showing in years and near domination of acting categories comes after they were constantly under attack by Trump.
They snubbed Jon Voight, they took out Fallon (who rightfully got a lot of flack for normalizing that orange turd) from Variety Series and didn’t nominate him in guest actor (even though they nominated like 9 SNL actors, they still snubbed Fallon).
And another victim of Trump association? Steve Harvey in reality host. I am telling you, this Trump phenomena is visible across nominations.
So my question is, does this bode really well for Baldwin? Is Mccarthy actually a lock? Does this hurt Mckinnon because Jones (and even Bayer) might split more votes that initially thought and help Light? Same with the SNL guys, assuring a victory for Laurie and/or Rhys?
And will we ever see the likes of Harvey, Voight and Fallon come back? I actually think they might find it really difficult to get nominated again, even Fallon.July 14, 2017 at 8:53 am #1202152296
I think your reading into this too much. The Voice still got in.July 14, 2017 at 9:37 am #1202152328
I think your reading into this too much. The Voice still got in.
That’s a bit different. The Voice doesn’t have Mark Burnett’s face or name all over it, unlike the Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon.
And obviously it can’t be compared to individual nomination snubs for Steve Harvey, Jon Voight and Fallon in Guest Actor.July 14, 2017 at 10:28 am #1202152424
All of this is reaching it. I had to strain to even establish the Steve Harvey connection. He’s a marginal figure nodded for hosting a silly kids showcase show one year. He was never promised a returning nomination. Fallon has been losing ground to Colbert for a long stretch now, though that’s more even now (at least in ratings if not social media presence). Many outlets normalized Trump in the mainstream. There’s wide “blame” to go around there, like CNN, “SNL,” MSNBC, Fox News, and practically every late night talk show. Messing up Agent Orange’s hair wasn’t the reason for Fallon’s snubs. He was also better in both of his prior Emmy wins for “SNL,” so there I’d chalk it up to just being ousted due to better competition. We thought “Ray Donovan” would receive an uptake in nominations this year and were wrong due to the frontloaded strength of the freshman drama class. Voight just fell victim to that. If the argument is that any Trump association hurts these nominees, then even Baldwin should have felt some of that. Sure, it’s a hilarious take on Trump’s baffonery, but it also provides ammunition for his supporters to go, “See what liberal, mainstream media is doing to our guy?” Normalization goes both ways. Voters could have said no thanks, but there they just couldn’t resist a perennial Emmy favorite. If this is really a thing, which I don’t think it is, we’d have to see it through more Emmy cycles and longer in Trump’s administration.July 21, 2017 at 2:36 pm #1202161006
So is McCarthy in danger now that Sean Spicer has “resigned”? He’s going to be very old news a month from, and the excitement over her performance might greatly decline.July 21, 2017 at 3:40 pm #1202161078
The performance stands on its own as one of the most iconic, so she’s good. As for the thread itself, I agree that there was a backlash for those who entertained White People’s President. Of course the alternatives explanations are just as true (ratings/industry support for Fallon down and stronger competition for Harvey and Voight).July 21, 2017 at 4:32 pm #1202161128
I think Sean Spicer resigning helps McCarthy a lot actually.