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  • Tonbone
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    #351465

    So I just started watching THE WEST WING via Netflix this month I love it and just finished season 4, and I have several questions.  First of all why was Stockard Channing in the supporting category @ the EMMYS when she seems more like a guest-star. She only shows up every several episodes or so. Eventhough she is in the opening starting in the fourth season she is not in every episode, and in season one she was in only three episodes I think, season two a bit more, season three I am not sure but not every episode. ON that same subject why did she win for the 3rd season? She didn’t have much impact, she played drunk but it was charming funny drunk rather than the episode that got her co-star John Spencer an EMMY that same year in 2002. Also why was Mary Louise-Parker nominated that same year in supporting when she was 100% guest? It even read “Special guest star” in the credits for her name. Also why was Dule Hill nominated in 2002 when IMO he didn’t have anything impactful enough to warrant a nomination? It must have been a ‘gimme’ nomination just because they loved the show so so much, like how they nomiated Robert Morse 5 times for MAD MEN when his role wasn’t that impactful or full of range.  I also didn’t get why Rob Lowe was nominated in lead in 2001? Was his ego so huge he couldn’t handle being in supporting? Lastly during the first season it really seemed like Martin Sheen wasn’t the lead since he equal screentime to the rest of the cast. I would also say in season 1 and season 3 he submitted an episode that was a really weak submission. What do the rest of you think of these questions??

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    Boidiva02
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    #351467

    I had basically the same question about Stockard, and all I could come up with is because she’s Stockard Channing, and she was a pretty big name.    I am guessing (100% guessing) it may have had something to do with the eligiblity rules at the time… 

    I’m with you on Mary Louise Parker too.

    Perhaps the voters just had it bad for The West Wing and gave it nominations wherever it could?

     

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    WaltEagle
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    #351468

    Rob Lowe submitted in Lead for The West Wing, Brothers and Sisters, and Parks and Recreation. None of it made sense.

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    BTN
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    #351469

    Channing and Parker went over the guest maximum and had to be supporting. But the reform of that rule virtually eliminated true guest from being nominated and guest became supporting 2.

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    CanadianFan
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    I’m midway through the second season, and I am also puzzled on how Stockard Channing got nominated. 

    I would have nominated Janel Moloney or Emily Procter instead. I would have given Spencer the win for S1, but Schiff submitted better episodes. Sheen picked terribly.

    I’ll return to this thread after I watch more. 

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    Tonbone
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    Channing and Parker went over the guest maximum and had to be supporting. But the reform of that rule virtually eliminated true guest from being nominated and guest became supporting 2.

      So back then an actual guest star could only appear in 3 episodes or how many? Because I checked IMDB Channing only appeared in 3 episodes of The West Wing in the first season, so what the hell? 

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    BenitoDelicias
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    Guests had to be in 6 episodes back then. But I think you could up yourself to supporting if you wanted to without it being an issue and that’s what Channing did. Just like when the no limit rule happened and people could go either way like say, John Lithgow, clearly being more than elegible and logical for supporting on Dexter but choosing not to. I think Margo Martindale was billed as guest, could compete as guest but chose to be supporting. Channing did the same thing.

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    Somnambulist
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    #351473

    Holland Taylor was in no more than six episodes of The Practice‘s third season and she submitted and won in Supporting.

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    Tonbone
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    Well then Channing and Taylor both cheated it seems?

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    BenitoDelicias
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    I wouldn’t consider that a cheat since they’re going up against people with 20 something episodes and bigger, longer storylines, just an unnecessary move on their parts as both would’ve easily won in Guest considering their eventual wins in Supporting.

    Probably in the case of The Practice they saw this move as convenient so they could have more shots in guest actress where they always had contenders. However, this particular year they didn’t get any guest actress nominations and who knows, maybe they cost themselves an extra Emmy for Camryn Manheim or Lara Flynn Boyle (can’t remember their submissions or if they were contenders at all).

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    BTN
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    Nobody was considered a contender against Marchand so its even more surprising taylor would choose supporting. Unless she saw such an overwhelming frontrunner as vulnerable because of all her previous wins for Lou grant.

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    Gabriel
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    I feel like a lot of the actors got rubberstamped/coattail nominations due to the huge popularity of the show. Some were deserved, but many were not. Channing did not deserve it, and Janney imo didn’t deserve four wins (especially the lead wins) either.

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    Somnambulist
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    I wouldn’t consider that a cheat since they’re going up against people with 20 something episodes and bigger, longer storylines, just an unnecessary move on their parts as both would’ve easily won in Guest considering their eventual wins in Supporting.

    Probably in the case of The Practice they saw this move as convenient so they could have more shots in guest actress where they always had contenders. However, this particular year they didn’t get any guest actress nominations and who knows, maybe they cost themselves an extra Emmy for Camryn Manheim or Lara Flynn Boyle (can’t remember their submissions or if they were contenders at all).

    Both Manheim and Boyle had the goods to win. Especially Boyle–that was easily the best season for her character.

    I do think one of the reasons there isn’t as much outrage about Marchand losing is because of her Lou Grant wins. Taylor was excellent in her role as a lascivious judge on The Practice but Livia certainly made more of an impression. Personally, I would have placed Taylor in Guest Actress, where she would have lost to Linda Hunt for the same show.

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    Somnambulist
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    #351479

    Going back to The West Wing, I’ve always wondered why Karl Malden wasn’t nominated in Outstanding Guest Actor for his admittedly brief performance in “Take This Sabbath Day.” The episode builds and ends with his and Sheen’s performances. More surprisingly, Glenn Close in Outstanding Guest Actress for “The Supremes” in season five, which should have been a lock. The Academy works in mysterious ways.

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    #351480

    I’m midway through the second season, and I am also puzzled on how Stockard Channing got nominated.

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