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  • jacob121
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    I believe we were all expecting this to compete as a limited series but looks like it is getting a second season. Do we have a new contender for best drama?

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hbo-sky-renew-young-pope-940019

    With the vacuum currently in drama supporting actress, it looks like Keaton will have a clear path to a nomination. Jude Law also seems likely.

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    Riley
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    Well, nobody saw this coming. Although maybe HBO did, which is why they are scheduling Big Little Lies for February. So they will have two limited series and not three in contention after all. This could be a huge drama player, given all of the open slots, although reviews paint the first couple episodes as rather soapy. He is getting good notices, but why is Jude Law playing an American?

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    Alex Meyer
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    Because it’s a fictional tale about a fictional American pope. And he has played Americans before.

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    Roney Moore
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    • Ugh there goes another contender. It’d be lucky to get more than one major nomination there.(I bet its for directing) And mayyybe for Keaton. It likely won’t even be HBO’s second main contender in drama categories. And won’t also be the second choice of the demo this show is aiming to get this cycle.
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    It seems like more of a globes show

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    Phillippo
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    I watched the first episode today. I’m honestly not too sure what to think of it. It was only the first episode, so I’m sure the show will find some sort of footing, but the first episode seemed… odd. First off, the direction was great (as expected), as was the score. The visuals and music together often made the show look like a Renaissance painting come to life. The cast was also good, though I’m not fond of Law in this role so far. It reminded me of Spacey’s Underwood in the Vatican. Diane Keaton gave an interesting performance, sometimes luminous but also at times a little stiff (though I think that’s mostly due to the writing). The rest of the supporting cast, especially the Italian actors, were mostly great.

    As a Catholic myself, I’m glad the show is approaching the subject from a character-based perspective. It really gets to show the variety present in the Church, from the most despicable and conniving individuals to the most genuine and Christian. I wish the Pope was more redeemable, though. At the moment, I think he is just too over-the-top to relate to; however, I acknowledge that the show could go in many directions and create a more complex character.

    Overall, I don’t see this making much of an impact at the Emmys. I hope it gets some support in the creative categories. It might also pick up a directing nod and maybe one for Keaton (if her role is expanded some) But who knows, maybe the show will really pick up! It definitely has potential.

    My grade: B+

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    Riley
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    Watched the first two episodes and HBO has found their Emmy replacement for… The Knick. Phillippo is right that something is a bit off, so I do not see this being accessible enough to reign supreme. That score and directing were pretty weird, although I do think that Paolo Sorrentino has the prestige for a nomination at this point. It will get the craft nominations (costumes, production design, makeup, hair) because of course it will and I think that Jude Law—excellent—will get in, as I think that a bias against Cinemax must have played a part against Clive Owen in hindsight. Diane Keaton can also get in because that category is wide open. But the series categories are not a given for HBO like they might have once been, so I am going to keep banking on Ray Donovan to close the gap. It will be interesting for us as an Emmy preview to see how this plays at BAFTA. Westworld seems safe for a nomination at this point, but I do not see HBO taking Outstanding Drama Series this year, in light of The Americans and The Crown.

    Beware of a James Cromwell snub. Every year, we see some veteran snubbed in drama supporting actor for a new show (Christian Slater, Sam Waterston, Mandy Patinkin) and Cromwell has little to do early on. He does have the “and” credit, but this seems to be a case of the “and” credit going to the most respected of the minor cast as the credit was more traditionally bestowed, as opposed to it being used by the most respected member of the cast period, like in American Horror Story. Note how the trailers are only “Jude Law | Diane Keaton | The Young Pope” and not “Jude Law | Diane Keaton | And James Cromwell | The Young Pope“. He has no dialogue in the first episode and only one scene in the second, albeit he is emotive in both appearances.

    A bit surprising for HBO, there is no main title sequence, so that limits their nomination ceiling. Not that HBO is going to have trouble there this year with Westworld and The Night Of, but those races are sometimes kind even to Emmy flops from the network. I can see why they aired the first two episodes back-to-back in Europe and I kind of hope that HBO does the same. I found the level of misdirection in the pilot inappropriate in hindsight. You get more of a feel for the direction of the series with the end of the second episode, although the eponymous character remains exceedingly enigmatic.

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    Phillippo
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    I just caught up on the second episode, and I have to say that this show certainly is bizarre. The visuals are absolutely stunning, with the direction, costumes, etc. being everything I hoped for. I also like the score (for the most part). My one gripe is that the characters are killing me so far. I know it’s early in the show, but I’m finding it difficult to relate to most of the characters.

    I hope the show does well in the creative categories. The costumes in particular are excellent. I can also see it getting a directing nomination. My next bet would have to be for Keaton just because the category is so empty this year. She plays an interesting character (I mean, who doesn’t like a smoking old nun who follows people around for enigmatic reasons). So far, however, I haven’t really enjoyed how she delivers her lines. I expected better. She has a terrific screen presence and is able to express a lot of emotions with subtle glances, but her dialogue just seems a little wooden to me. It’s probably mostly due to the writing. I think we will get to learn a lot more about her character also, so maybe her performance is great and I’m just judging it too early. Don’t get me wrong, she’s good, but nothing great so far lol.

    I agree with thedemonhog that Cromwell will probably be snubbed. Unless his role is significantly expanded within the next episode or two, I don’t see it happening. He has been excellent in what he has done, but it’s just such a minor role so far. I personally love Silvio Orlando’s performance, but I know he has a zero percent shot at any recognition.

    Overall, I think I’m going to stick with it to see where it goes. It is very soapy, but sometimes that can be good. It has a lot of potential, so I’m excited to see how the story plays out.

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    I also want to say that I don’t think this show will make it into the drama series race. The two open slots will most likely go to The Crown and Westworld, so I don’t see this show generating enough buzz to take a returning drama’s place. If anything, Ray Donovan, Orange is the New Black, or even Stranger Things (because of its incredible popularity) could take up one more slot (maybe Homeland’s?). Either way, I don’t think The Young Pope has enough sauce to break into the main category.

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    Reis
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    Loved it! And Jude Law was terrific in this two first episodes.

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    Lord Freddy Blackfyre
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    I watched the first episode and I think the show in general is awful.

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    helv606
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    Per Deadline. The first episode of The Young Pope will premiere Sunday, Jan. 15, and the second episode will air Monday, Jan 16, both at 9pm. Subsequent episodes will air Sundays/Mondays at the same time.

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    Riley
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    So HBO is indeed programming a second night and moving The Young Pope up to January to fit everything in! I cannot remember the last hour-long drama that aired two episodes a week and on different nights though. How strange!

    I had not initially realized that they were playing two episodes a week in Europe also. Have not seen the third and fourth episodes yet.

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    helv606
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    So HBO is indeed programming a second night and moving The Young Pope up to January to fit everything in! I cannot remember the last hour-long drama that aired two episodes a week and on different nights though. How strange!

    I had not initially realized that they were playing two episodes a week in Europe also. Have not seen the third and fourth episodes yet.

    CBS aired part of the final season of Person Of Interest Monday/Tuesday last summer (last three episodes only aired on Tuesday).

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    jacob121
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    HBO prestige drama series airing two episodes a week on a Sunday/Monday schedule? That is so strange. I wonder if they don’t have that much confidence in the show? Almost feels like they are burning it off. Maybe they think that it will be a big hit on their streaming platforms. I imagine a huge chunk of their audience will be turned off by the series opening with Jude Law crawling through a mountain of babies so maybe it’s a good move to shorten the season in order to get to Big Little Lies more quickly.

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