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    #362385

    Viola Davis’ Emmy win is probably one of my favorites, but it’s hard not see the lack of other minorities – other than African-Americans – in awards shows, or in TV Shows (and Hollywood) in general. 

    Especially Asians. I find Sandra Oh’s in (“Grey’s Anatomy”) snub for the win as one of the biggest crime in Emmy History. Yunjin Kim in “Lost” was never nominated. Lucy Liu didn’t win for “Ally McBeal” or didn’t get nominated for “Southland”. People like Constance Wu (“Fresh Off the Boat”) are among the best TV actresses working today, still didn’t get nominated.

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    I absolutely agree – when Andy Samberg said “this is the most diverse group of Emmy nominees ever”, I thought that it was quite wrong, because there were were absolutely no Asian nominees, Middle Eastern nominees or Hispanic nominees (other than Louis C.K., who is half Mexican). I think its great that we celebrated the diversity of the nominees, and Viola Davis’ win was wonderful and broke a record that needed to be broken, but I don’t see any awards show as being truly diverse until they recognize all groups. I don’t actually see the need to point out diversity, but if we have to, then I have to say it will only be diverse when we recognize every group that needs to be recognized. For every Viola Davis breaking the award, there needs to be a Sara Ramirez, Sandra Oh and Salma Hayek to allow for all groups – black, white, Hispanic, Asian and Middle Eastern, to be given that opportunity. 

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    And honestly, the two Supporting Comedy awards could have easily gone to two minorities, who would also have been absolutely deserving – Gael Garcia Bernal for Mozart in the Jungle and Constance Wu for Fresh Off the Boat

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    I absolutely agree – when Andy Samberg said “this is the most diverse group of Emmy nominees ever”, I thought that it was quite wrong, because there were were absolutely no Asian nominees, Middle Eastern nominees or Hispanic nominees (other than Louis C.K., who is half Mexican). I think its great that we celebrated the diversity of the nominees, and Viola Davis’ win was wonderful and broke a record that needed to be broken, but I don’t see any awards show as being truly diverse until they recognize all groups. I don’t actually see the need to point out diversity, but if we have to, then I have to say it will only be diverse when we recognize every group that needs to be recognized. For every Viola Davis breaking the award, there needs to be a Sara Ramirez, Sandra Oh and Salma Hayek to allow for all groups – black, white, Hispanic, Asian and Middle Eastern, to be given that opportunity.

    Richard Cabral for American Crime

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    I agree with Macbeth. 

    The term diverse however is not just about race and ethnicity. It relates to gender, sexual orientation, socio-economic status, age, physical ability, religious and political beliefs. Correct me if I’m wrong but the Emmys have celebrated diversity through gender (separation of male and female categories), sexual orientation (Sean Hayes, Jane Lynch, Jim Parsons, the series Will & Grace), age (this could potentially pose a debate but the Emmys are pretty diverse with age, if you’re older than say 35 lol), religious beliefs (Tom Hanks – practices Greek Orthodox with his wife, Patricia Heaton, Kristin Chenoweth) and political beliefs.

    Looking at this year we have:
    Race/ethnicty – (Viola Davis, Taraji P Henson and others – African American / Ben Mendelsohn – Australian / Richard Cabral – Hispanic / Tatiana Maslany – Canadian / Jim Carter, Joanne Froggatt and others – British / Armando Iannucci – Scottish) and others.
    Gender – check (support for Transparent)
    Sexual Orientation – Jane Lynch, Alan Cumming, Lisa Cholodenko (support for Orange is the New Black, American Horror Story, Modern Family)
    Age – Cicely Tyson (90), Mel Brooks (89), Lily Tomlin (76), Jonathan Banks (68), Denis O’Hare (53), Mo’Nique (47), Mayim Bialik (39), Emilia Clarke (28), Rachel Brosnahan (25)
    Political Beliefs – most Variety programs deal with Political issues

    So yes this was a diverse year at the Emmys but so are other years. 

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    [quote=”EmmyFan123″]

    I absolutely agree – when Andy Samberg said “this is the most diverse group of Emmy nominees ever”, I thought that it was quite wrong, because there were were absolutely no Asian nominees, Middle Eastern nominees or Hispanic nominees (other than Louis C.K., who is half Mexican). I think its great that we celebrated the diversity of the nominees, and Viola Davis’ win was wonderful and broke a record that needed to be broken, but I don’t see any awards show as being truly diverse until they recognize all groups. I don’t actually see the need to point out diversity, but if we have to, then I have to say it will only be diverse when we recognize every group that needs to be recognized. For every Viola Davis breaking the award, there needs to be a Sara Ramirez, Sandra Oh and Salma Hayek to allow for all groups – black, white, Hispanic, Asian and Middle Eastern, to be given that opportunity.

    Richard Cabral for American Crime
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    Totally forgot about him. Thanks!  

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    Call me racist, or anything you want, I am an Asian woman myself, but this is becoming ridicolous.
    Anthony Anderson, Tracee Ellis Ross, Viola Davis, Terrence Howard, Kerry Washington, Taraji P.Henson all cheered for Uzo Aduba when she won, of course they could be friends or they could watch the show, but they also cheered all the other black winners just because they’re black. That is wrong. No one should deserve to be celebrated or to be ignored because of their race. Being black is not their primarily trademark. Of course it’s amazing they’re finally getting the recognition they deserved, but not with this way. But at least we know they watch OITNB and Aduba is a deserving winner nonetheless.

    But how deserving was Regina King? How many of them have actually watched American Crime? She wasn’t even in the miniseries, that much. It was obvious they loved Olive Kitteridge most. So why didn’t Zoe Kazan win? Anyone who saw Olive Kitteridge knew she was more deserving than both Bill Murray and Richard Jenkins. I’ll tell you why. Because no blond person didn’t vote for her just because she’s blonde.
    Same is also valid for Sarah Paulson. She played a two headed woman for god’s sake. And AHS had 6 acting nominations, more than any other Miniseries, so it’s not like they’re not watching. But they just can’t help themselves to vote for their black friend.
    This is gross. To be classified this way. Like their race is the only thing they have in her life. To be glad that we have so many African-American winners, not even thinking about if they are deserving or not. This is just another ”pretty” way of racism. 

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    Wait, what? ^^^^^^

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    Call me racist, or anything you want, I am an Asian woman myself, but this is becoming ridicolous.
    Anthony Anderson, Tracee Ellis Ross, Viola Davis, Terrence Howard, Kerry Washington, Taraji P.Henson all cheered for Uzo Aduba when she won, of course they could be friends or they could watch the show, but they also cheered all the other black winners just because they’re black. That is wrong. No one should deserve to be celebrated or to be ignored because of their race. Being black is not their primarily trademark. Of course it’s amazing they’re finally getting the recognition they deserved, but not with this way. But at least we know they watch OITNB and Aduba is a deserving winner nonetheless.

    But how deserving was Regina King? How many of them have actually watched American Crime? She wasn’t even in the miniseries, that much. It was obvious they loved Olive Kitteridge most. So why didn’t Zoe Kazan win? Anyone who saw Olive Kitteridge knew she was more deserving than both Bill Murray and Richard Jenkins. I’ll tell you why. Because no blond person didn’t vote for her just because she’s blonde.
    Same is also valid for Sarah Paulson. She played a two headed woman for god’s sake. And AHS had 6 acting nominations, more than any other Miniseries, so it’s not like they’re not watching. But they just can’t help themselves to vote for their black friend.
    This is gross. To be classified this way. Like their race is the only thing they have in her life. To be glad that we have so many African-American winners, not even thinking about if they are deserving or not. This is just another ”pretty” way of racism. 

    Regina King was just as deserving as anyone else in that category. Just cause she’s not chewing scenes. And yeah, Taraji and the others were giving extra cheers for the black winners what’s wrong with that? You can’t knock them for supporting their own. Then you said they just ,”They just voted for their little black friend.” How do you know that didn’t like Regina’s tape better? Cause I highly doubt Regina is more popular than Paulson. Viola was the first black woman to win, and guess what? She got standing ovations and extra cheers from her fellow black actors and actresses. Which was all the applause she needed. Stop fucking whining. Why would we wonder if their deserving or not? Uzo, Regina, and Viola were deserving. And you’re right you do sound like a racist.

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    In essence, it is obvious that anyone who receives a nomination, or wins, should do so because they are deserving based on their talent alone. And if actors or other artists from various backgrounds are nominated, then that is fantastic. But they cannot be nominated just because they tick off a box for diversity.

    If they are, it is completely unfair to the people themselves, as their talent is not being fully recognised. Instead, they are recognised based on their demographic. And how on earth is that fair? It is also unfair on the other nominees or contenders who may get in or win based on their talent, but don’t tick a box for diversity, and so miss out.

    There may well be opinions that Sandra Oh, Lucy Liu, Constance Wu, Kunal Nayyar, Gina Rodriguez, among many others, were deserving of wins and/or nominations. But wouldn’t they rather not be nominated when talent alone is assessed, than to be nominated just because of the colour of their skin?

     

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    This has been a problem for decades.  IIRC, Kim Miyori’s character on St. Elsewhere was killed off because she was Asian and they gave some excuse like “you’re not testing well with audiences.”

    I have a theory: blacks are starting to get their share of recognition now because, and pardon me for saying it this way, they “sound white.”  For a moment, you forget the actor’s race/ethnicity – yes, even with a show like blackish where race is pretty much the entire point of the show.  This isn’t as true with, say, Hispanic or Asian actors; you hear them, and suddenly you’re no longer “lost in the story” as you’re distracted (for lack of a better word that I can think of at the moment) by the accent.

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    This has been a problem for decades.  IIRC, Kim Miyori’s character on St. Elsewhere was killed off because she was Asian and they gave some excuse like “you’re not testing well with audiences.”

    I have a theory: blacks are starting to get their share of recognition now because, and pardon me for saying it this way, they “sound white.”  For a moment, you forget the actor’s race/ethnicity – yes, even with a show like blackish where race is pretty much the entire point of the show.  This isn’t as true with, say, Hispanic or Asian actors; you hear them, and suddenly you’re no longer “lost in the story” as you’re distracted (for lack of a better word that I can think of at the moment) by the accent.

    What is “sound white”?

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    Yes, somehow hollywood thinks diversity means only including blacks. Why the Emmys don’t start nominating more asians, and hispanics ? why they don’t make a big deal about the first asian winning an Emmy or the first hispanic winning an Emmy. 

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    Call me racist, or anything you want, I am an Asian woman myself, but this is becoming ridicolous.
    Anthony Anderson, Tracee Ellis Ross, Viola Davis, Terrence Howard, Kerry Washington, Taraji P.Henson all cheered for Uzo Aduba when she won, of course they could be friends or they could watch the show, but they also cheered all the other black winners just because they’re black. That is wrong. No one should deserve to be celebrated or to be ignored because of their race. Being black is not their primarily trademark. Of course it’s amazing they’re finally getting the recognition they deserved, but not with this way. But at least we know they watch OITNB and Aduba is a deserving winner nonetheless.

    But how deserving was Regina King? How many of them have actually watched American Crime? She wasn’t even in the miniseries, that much. It was obvious they loved Olive Kitteridge most. So why didn’t Zoe Kazan win? Anyone who saw Olive Kitteridge knew she was more deserving than both Bill Murray and Richard Jenkins. I’ll tell you why. Because no blond person didn’t vote for her just because she’s blonde.
    Same is also valid for Sarah Paulson. She played a two headed woman for god’s sake. And AHS had 6 acting nominations, more than any other Miniseries, so it’s not like they’re not watching. But they just can’t help themselves to vote for their black friend.
    This is gross. To be classified this way. Like their race is the only thing they have in her life. To be glad that we have so many African-American winners, not even thinking about if they are deserving or not. This is just another ”pretty” way of racism. 

    Exactly. Not many people have watched “American Crime” but they were cheering for King no matter what. Nonsense. She wasn’t deserving. I don’t care about her race or overdue spot (of course we can argue that as well) – she was one of the weakest nominee. Exciting in her first scenes, boring and typicial after a while. Sarah should have won.

    And I do understand about your whole point.

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    Yes, somehow hollywood thinks diversity means only including blacks. Why the Emmys don’t start nominating more asians, and hispanics ? why they don’t make a big deal about the first asian winning an Emmy or the first hispanic winning an Emmy. 

    Well-said. I’m against this record-making shit talk a lot (because for example no matter how good my Viola is in her show, most people see that she’s the first black leading lady winner, and not that she’s a fantastic actress who actually deserved the award), but it’s true. Asians records are hardly important. Or other minorities records for that matter. People call the Oscars white if there isn’t a black nominee, but they don’t give a fuck about it if an Asian (Gong Li, Ziyi Zhang, Doona Bae or Miyavi) misses the cut, because well….who cares about them at anyways…? It’s just wrong.

    It’s so sad because Asian cinema is so iconic and so good. Hollywood should pay more attention, so they might learn something about film-making….

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