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Veep, Insecure, Divorce – who gets the big Emmy push?

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  • MusicFan08
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    HBO can make a very strong case for all 3 of these shows this year. JLD is a perennial favorite, SJP is back, and Issa is the hot, new critical darling on the block.

    How do you guys see all of this playing out?

    Personally, I think Divorce is as dry and boring as ever & only gave it a shot because of SJP. If anything, Thomas Haden Church is the one who makes the show halfway watchable but we all know it’s gonna be about getting SJP in. I can’t imagine that this show will get anywhere near Best Comedy.

    I LOVE Insecure. It’s absolutely my favorite non-network sitcom (Atlanta being a close second); I can’t see it breaking into Best Comedy and I know the big push will really be getting Issa into Lead Actress. But I’m also hoping that HBO will rally behind Yvonne Orji. She’s amazing and would be totally deserving of a Supporting Actress nod.

    And as for Veep, it’ll clearly be business as usual in just about every category imaginable. I’m a bit fatigued over that show winning everything every year, in the same way that the Modern Family fatigue set in for many after awhile. But regardless of that, we know it’s happening. Right now, I’m predicting it’ll win Comedy Series and Lead Actress once again (unfortunately).

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    Divorce is a horrible show. Outside of name recognition, I don’t see anyone but the cast being nominated.

    Insecure is a good show. Issa Rae is likely her show’s sole nominee.

    Veep is Veep. Although, I wonder if this next season will be too hard hitting to bear? Since Hillary isn’t in the white house — and Selina no longer in public office — will voters be able to handle the uncomfortable comedy we’ll get from the show mirroring reality?

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    I sense veep fatigue underway. If Veep wins the sext Emmy, I feel it will be its last. However, I do t even think it will win again.

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    sofan
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    Divorce will probably not get anything other SJP. It is a bad show and only SJP’s name recognition can help her get in, thanks to the empty slots if it was a harder year, she would’ve struggled.

    Insecure won’t get anything. Issa is too unknown to get anything, kinda like the GG winners before her, yes she has HBO with her but that won’t help her.

    The smart thing is obviously promoting Veep. Unless the season is really bad they’ll get a buttload of nominations and will win some of them. Why waste money on other shows for nominations you can’t get or for wins you won’t have?

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    MusicFan08
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    Issa Rae isn’t just any GG winner (which is still TBD at the moment). She has HBO behind her.

    Secondly, there are plenty of “unknown” actresses who’ve broken into the Emmy race in previous years. Lena Dunham (another HBO actress) and Lea Michele are great examples of this, so I don’t buy that Rae is simply “too unknown” to get in.

    Let’s be honest: the only reason Gina Rodriguez hasn’t gotten an Emmy nomination yet (despite a GG win and 3 consecutive nominations) is because she’s on a network that isn’t a big Emmy player. This is a problem that Issa Rae will not have.

    As we’ve all acknowledged, Divorce is a terrible show and SJP is the only logical push for recognition. This is not the same case for Insecure and I think HBO knows they have a gem on their hands with this show. They will get Issa in, and I’m hoping Yvonne Orji will ride her coattails into a nomination of her own.

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    Issa Rae isn’t just any GG winner (which is still TBD at the moment). She has HBO behind her.

    Is it really? And wasn’t HBO also behind Togetherness where are their nominations?

    Secondly, there are plenty of “unknown” actresses who’ve broken into the Emmy race in previous years. Lena Dunham (another HBO actress) and Lea Michele are great examples of this, so I don’t buy that Rae is simply “too unknown” to get in.

    Both Girls and Glee were phenomena when they came out. Their first season performed well and incredibly well everywhere respectively. Girls got Series, Directing, Writing, Lead Actress and Casting nominations while winning Best Series C/M and Lead Actress at Globes, even Globes didn’t nominate Insecure and they jump at the chance to be the first ones to award everything. Glee’s first season won the C/M series Globe for its first season while receiving four nominations, and my goodness was it a juggernaut at the Emmys or what? They got 20 fricking nominations for their first season. Oh also they also got nominated for a SAG ensemble award. If you think any of these two situations apply to Insecure, I just don’t know what to say.

    From what I understand Issa Rae was a Youtuber before so her situation is more comparable to Rachel Gloom, unknown but lovable outsider loved by fans but not accepted by the industry just yet.

    As we’ve all acknowledged, Divorce is a terrible show and SJP is the only logical push for recognition. This is not the same case for Insecure and I think HBO knows they have a gem on their hands with this show. They will get Issa in, and I’m hoping Yvonne Orji will ride her coattails into a nomination of her own.

    No HBO knows this show doesn’t stand a chance with a limited audience and exposure, her GG win will not carry her or the show until the Emmy voting time. They would have to move heaven and earth to get Insecure nominated and I just don’t think they are willing to do that, with so many other and easier possible nominations and so much competition they will focus on the likes of Westworld, The Young Pope, Big Little Lies, The Night Of, SJP and maybe Shannon or Church, Tracey Ullman’s Show, The Deuce if it airs in time. Basically, the shows which have people in them the industry already knows and loves. Because they know Netflix is coming for them and their biggest horse in the race is taking the year out, pushing the ones that don’t stand a chance will only cause them to lose money and number of nominations.

    Also when was the last time a completely unknown person got nominated for a little-known show. I mean I loved the show but it doesn’t stand a chance, same with High Maintenance.

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    Divorce and Insecure really only have a shot at the Actress nomination, or maybe Directing.

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    Divorce could get a nom for SJP and Molly Shannon. Insecure could get a nom for Issa Rae, writing, directing, and if we are lucky- series, editing, can sting as Yvonne Orji.

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    That’s exactly the thing though. Insecure is NOT an unknown show in the industry. 3 months ago it was, but the buzz has carried it so far. I am not saying she will be nominated, but she is DEFINITELY a contender and should not be counted out because she started out as an unknown.

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    @sofan: No, the GGs aren’t determined yet because they haven’t been announced yet. That’s why a win is TBD at the moment because she’s only a nominee right now. I thought that was clear.

    Issa now has quite a bit of industry support (i.e. Shonda Rhimes). I think you are discrediting her credibility in Hollywood without having done your homework on her. Yes, she first gained notoriety on YouTube, but that is not the extent of her respect within the industry. I get all your points about the other shows but your initial comment stated that Insecure won’t get anything, which I’m assuming includes a Lead Actress nom for Issa and my argument is that that’s simply off base. That’s what I’m referencing.

    I’ve also seen firsthand the industry push that HBO is putting behind the show, so I’m just not buying your stance but you are welcomed to have it. There’s no need to argue about it; you clearly are set in your thoughts on it and that is okay. That was actually the point of me posing the question but I’m not going to go back and forth about it when your reasoning isn’t rational or thought out.

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    That’s exactly the thing though. Insecure is NOT an unknown show in the industry. 3 months ago it was, but the buzz has carried it so far. I am not saying she will be nominated, but she is DEFINITELY a contender and should not be counted out because she started out as an unknown.

    THANK YOU!

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    sofan
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    That’s exactly the thing though. Insecure is NOT an unknown show in the industry. 3 months ago it was, but the buzz has carried it so far. I am not saying she will be nominated, but she is DEFINITELY a contender and should not be counted out because she started out as an unknown.

    What buzz? Seriously where is the buzz? It is barely making the top 20 of critics whereas a real buzzed about show like Atlanta is up there on #2. It is an unknown show and there is nothing to prove otherwise if even the critics are barely here for it.

    @sofan: No, the GGs aren’t determined yet because they haven’t been announced yet. That’s why a win is TBD at the moment because she’s only a nominee right now. I thought that was clear.

    We all know she is winning so stop acting brand new.

    Issa now has quite a bit of industry support (i.e. Shonda Rhimes). I think you are discrediting her credibility in Hollywood without having done your homework on her. Yes, she first gained notoriety on YouTube, but that is not the extent of her respect within the industry. I get all your points about the other shows but your initial comment stated that Insecure won’t get anything, which I’m assuming includes a Lead Actress nom for Issa and my argument is that that’s simply off base. That’s what I’m referencing.

    I stand by my point, it won’t get anything including Lead Actress. And Shonda Rhimes’ support doesn’t mean much, ask Ellen Pompeo or Mireille Enos that. And I’m not belittling her for being a Youtube star it is actually really impressive how far she has come but no the GG win is where it ends for Insecure this year.

     

    I’ve also seen firsthand the industry push that HBO is putting behind the show, so I’m just not buying your stance but you are welcomed to have it. There’s no need to argue about it; you clearly are set in your thoughts on it and that is okay. That was actually the point of me posing the question but I’m not going to go back and forth about it when your reasoning isn’t rational or thought out.

    How is that not rational? It is very realistic but I guess that doesn’t work for your argument. As I’ve stated in another thread a THR roundtable will probably be as far as HBO goes on to giving her a chance.

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    HBO’s first comedy priority is Veep and their second is Silicon Valley.

    Sarah Jessica Parker’s Globe nomination is about as far as Divorce is getting. And that nomination means nothing, by the way. That was just the Globes being the Globes with a welcome-back hug. See also the nomination for Michael J. Fox for The Michael J. Fox Show. If they actually liked the show, they would have nominated it because nominating new shows is what the Globes do best. Divorce‘s best chance at a major Emmy nomination is Molly Shannon, who is a beloved character actress, the stand-out of her show and in a weak category. Comedy lead actress has so many viable alternatives.

    Insecure does not have the heat for a series nomination, but I could see someone like Issa Rae getting in. Insecure might not have the widespread critical acclaim or something like Veep or Atlanta, but nobody dislikes it and those who like it are passionate about it. Compare Getting On and Enlightened. Rae does not have name recognition of Laurie Metcalf or Laura Dern, but she compensates in cachet with her hyphenate status. Maybe Yvonne Orji comes along for the ride, being a co-lead in supporting and supporting being a weak race. In theory, Insecure could also just be another Looking or Togetherness. Those were also well-liked, but not broadly-liked. But I think that Insecure is off to a good start with its Globe nomination and it seems sexier. I would not say that High Maintenance is comparable because it did not even air on Sundays (and it did not make the top ten lists and did not get a Globe nomination and so on).

    I see Divorce and Insecure as competitive in only one craft category each, which are contemporary costumes and comedy casting respectively.

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    Don’t you think Pamela Adlon has better chance than Sarah Jessica Parker, or Issa Rae. She may even get a writing nomination. I saw Better Things in many critics’ list. She also has the advantage of portraying a woman in the industry. Moreover, Louis C.K. also writes and directs that show.

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    I would. The be suprised at all if Better Things shocks everybody by overperforming. It is a funny show on a well liked network with talent beloved by the industry and the industry likes watching themselves. I think adalon is bad news for Issa because she could take a spot.

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