June 10, 2014 at 8:41 am #319210
I came across this article yesterday:
It made me wonder how the nominees would look like if they actually had seperate categories for the Cable/Network Shows.
If so, how do you think recent year’s nominations would have looked like? Let’s say, they had done this category splitting in 2010. I’m sure that would have affected the dynamics for shows being nominated in 2011, 2012, 2013 and now 2014 long-term.
I think this year’s nominees could look something like this and the categories would consist of 5 nominees:
Outstanding Cable Drama Series
Game of Thrones
House of Cards
Outstanding Network Drama Series
The Good Wife*
Outstanding Cable Comedy Series
Orange is the New Black
Outstanding Network Comedy Series
About a Boy
The Big Bang Theory
Parks and Recreation
Do you think the category splitting would make sense?
What shows do you think would have benefitted from such category splittings?
June 10, 2014 at 9:48 am #319213
No. Stick with six.
The Good Wife defintiely would get the benefit, and it would be a boon for Cable Comedies as some really good ones would win instead of the usual network shows..June 10, 2014 at 10:19 am #319214
Even though TGW would benefit from such a system the category would be awash with some shows that just don’t hold water. If sticking with comedy/drama as it is, I would make it similar to the oscars allowing 5 – 8 nominees. Otherwise I would perhaps go BAFTA route. Have a combined movie/mini category, then split comedy and drama category which is ‘short series’ which is upto 10 episodes, then a ‘long series’ category for 11 episodes or over. Then make the categories 5 nominees except movie/mini which can be 6June 10, 2014 at 11:25 am #319215
The Wrap quoted a post from this forum that was not even on the first page of its thread, so I do not validate this discussion by predicting theoretical nominees. If the big four want to get into the Emmys, they need to do two things. First, they need to make better shows. But they also need to campaign them properly. Friday Night Lights was not a fundamentally different show when it moved over to DirecTV and the seeds were always there for an Emmy breakout (casting win and directing nomination for first season), but NBC obviously did not leverage its Emmy viability. The Good Wife might be in similar trouble now.June 10, 2014 at 12:41 pm #319216
“Go BAFTA route.”
As far as I can tell, the Bafta categories are meant for: TV Movie, Miniseries, Sitcom, Drama Series, Soap.
So the only difference is that they have soaps. Their most recent nominees in the category had over 8000 episodes, over 4000 episodes, over 900 episodes, and over 700 episodes.
Nothing on primetime US television is like that, because we keep those shows on daytime.June 10, 2014 at 4:16 pm #319217
Maybe just do a category for “best network show”, regardless of comedy or drama. The likely nominees would be: The Good Wife, Modern Family, Brooklyn Nine-Nine, Scandal, The Big Bang Theory, Parks and Recreation. That isn’t a bad 6, and I think only three of these will likely actually be nominated. It would be an interesting category, but I doubt it would actually happen.
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Even though it is now surpassing the big four in ratings as well, cable is still ineligible in most People’s Choice categories. There you go!June 10, 2014 at 4:52 pm #319219
^That has always been the place for Network shows to thrive. Too bad it’s much less prestigious.
Come participate in this year's Goldderby Rankings! http://www.goldderby.com/forum/movies/2017-goldderby-rankings/June 10, 2014 at 10:04 pm #319220
The Wrap quoted a post from this forum that was not even on the first page of its thread, so I do not validate this discussion by predicting theoretical nominees. .
What the hell does that have anything to do with the question he asked above? I do not understand the need to be dissmissive of other people’s quations or inquiries. Especially when it is a harmless and simple question as the OP asked.
To answer your question above, I feel this question comes up every year and actually is becoming more relevant as the years go by. I doubt they will actually split up the networks as you suggested above, but something has to change in the way TV is produced and made if the networks want to stay competitive with cable and especially pay channels in the future.
I have wondered something to this effect as the TV landscape has changed so much in the past ten years and will continue to do so. It seems the Academy has tried to keep up with the changes, to mixed results. While I do not agree with all of their rule changes, I appreciate the fact they are at least trying to keep up with the changing TV times.
It seems like the broadcast networks have fallen behind the cable companies in certain repects, but some of those cannot be helped. For better or worse (often worse) the cable/pay companies have advantages that the broadcast networks just cannot have. Or there is no way the broadcast networks could do a buzzy role out like Netflix does or an 8 part drama “series” like HBO did.
I guess one of my concerns is we may see a time when broadcast networks try and create shows just to compete and win awards. I think this might already be happening with broadcast networks creating “event series”. I do not see how else they would be able to compete with the shorter seasons offered by cable and subscription channels. I do not mind shows wanting to compete for awards (unlike some people here who constantly complain/bitch about category “fraud” and “gaming” the system). But I do not neccessarily want to see channels only producing content just to win awards.
For the short term I do not see the academy splitting up the broadcast and cable/pay shows. There are just not enough quality shows to support having 20-24 overall series nominees. The Emmy awards are already watered down enough as it is, they currently have too many awards. Adding more would not really be helpful.
At some point in the future I can see things changing. I do not know when, all I know is we are heading towards a point when broadcast shows will be extinct in terms of winning awards and possibly even nominations.June 10, 2014 at 10:32 pm #319221
“Broadcast shows will be extinct.”
Well, a large chunk of comedy nominees are still broadcast. Last year:
Half the Series noms
4 S Actor noms
5 S Actress noms
3 Directing noms
3 Writing noms
5 Guest Actor noms
4 Guest Actress nomsJune 10, 2014 at 10:40 pm #319222
^ Plus they still do well in the variety and reality categories.June 10, 2014 at 10:47 pm #319223
jjmoss, I am well aware of the above. I do not know how you missed it but I said “we are heading towards a point“. I did not say we are currently there. I was talking about the future, as in 10-15 years from now I can see a point where the broadcast companies are no longer able to compete with the cable/pay companies. Hell it may be more like 5-10 years away and not even 15.
And sadly we are getting pretty close where many of the nominees in drama are now only from cable/pay networks. I know not every nominee is from a cable/pay channel as you pointed out above, but the current trend is heading into that direction.
And as more cable/pay networks start to produce content and the ones already making shows create even more work, I am doubting this trend is going to change any time soon. Chances are it will only get worse.June 10, 2014 at 11:42 pm #319224
Man, that would be disgusting. It comes in cycles. The next great network drama will deserve to compete against any drama on TV. The existence of Netflix and other streaming is making serialized shows more practical for networks, and soon some of them will be damn impressive.June 11, 2014 at 6:35 am #319225
the emmys already have like a ton of awards to give every year, and as thay say they do wrong more than right,
doing these categorization is simply more confusing, though beneficial to somoe shows