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  • DCurrie
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    Because a pilot episode sets the tone for a new series, and usually provides alot of overview of the series, it’s understandable why those episodes would be submitted for consideration in the writing & directing categories. But, when did the pilot become so “popular” as the “go-to” emmy submission when actors/actresses are nominated? I realize not all of the them do it. But it seems so many first time nominees opt to submit the pilot, when there are OFTEN so many other episodes they can choose from? Is it because alot of them don’t really understand the emmy process completely, and rely on others to choose for them, thus the pilot gets picked by default?

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    I restarted this because my computer had a hiccup, which posted a bazillion of my same posts, and I couldn’t delete them all. I apologize to all who contributed, but please continue.

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    24Emmy
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    You have the ability to delete these extra threads.

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    DCurrie
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    It wasn’t letting me do I at first but of course after I delete the topic it works. Lol. Thanks, 24Emmy.

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    Someonelikeme
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    I see that not only did they submit it, but in the last 10 years or so, Edie Falco, Felicity Huffman, America Ferrera & Toni Collette all won for submitting the pilot episodes, on the lead actress comedy side..

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    Indonesian
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    since Julianna Margulies botched her season 1 submission by not submitting the pilot of TGW. LOL

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    ETPhoneHome
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    I think another factor is how on the radar their series are on. If they get a series nomination, then they can assume that people will know about the show, and can follow the storyline, then can pick the episode with the best performance. I think it’s more significant on the drama side, with nominees like Caplan this year or Daniels and Spacey last year realizing that as the lead, their pilots are often the best displays of their character.

    for the same reason, supporting performances are usually going to be better off not submitting a pilot, because it is generally going to be more about the lead than them. Looking at last year, Janney, Mulgrew and Braugher all submitted non-pilot episodes. Not sure if that’s always going to be the case, but it frequently is.

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    I think another factor is how on the rear their series are on. If they get a series nomination, then they can assume that people will know about the show, and can follow the storyline, then can pick the episode with the best performance. I think it’s more significant on the drama side, with nominees like Caplan this year or Daniels and Spacey last year realizing that as the lead, their pilots are often the best displays of their character.

    for the same reason, supporting performances are usually going to be better off not submitting a pilot, because it is generally going to be more about the lead than them. Looking at last year, Janney, Mulgrew and Braugher all submitted non-pilot episodes. Not sure if that’s always going to be the case, but it frequently is.

    I think the one exception that I can remember is Claire Danes submitting and ultimately winning for the 11th episode of Season 1 of Homeland (“The Vest”) — such a stellar episode and much better for her than the pilot! But 2011-2012 was a very zeitgeisty year for Homeland, so most voters probably watched the whole series through (because it was popular to, word of mouth, etc)

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    DCurrie
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    I think the actors who don’t submit the pilot become truly engaged in how the whole emmy process works in choosing what they really feel is their best episode/submission. Getting feedback from others who’ve seen their work, remembering certain episodes they shot that stuck out in their minds, etc.

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    Alijah Purdy
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    I still to this day think that Kyra Sedgwick NOT submitting the pilot of The Closer as her episode cost her the Emmy that year. 

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    Icky
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    I think the one exception that I can remember is Claire Danes submitting and ultimately winning for the 11th episode of Season 1 of Homeland (“The Vest”) — such a stellar episode and much better for her than the pilot! But 2011-2012 was a very zeitgeisty year for Homeland, so most voters probably watched the whole series through (because it was popular to, word of mouth, etc)

    Danes had at least five episodes that year she could have won with, including the pilot. It’s a consistently baity role, and she got an unusual amount of episodes that fit the parameter of a great Emmy tape as well as being overall quality installments.

    One of the main reasons to submit a pilot is the likelihood of suceeding episodes being convoluted or simply confusing for viewers watching a random episode. An actor might give a slightly more impressive performance in a later episode, but that installment could be an awkward one for new viewers. Pilots are simple and easy to engage with, because they were built to be that way.

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    David Buchanan
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    I think submitting a pilot episode, especially for drama acting contenders, is a good idea for many of the reasons stated above.

    Those were the very reasons I wanted Taylor Schilling to submit the first episode of Orange is the New Black. I don’t think she would have beaten Julia Louis-Dreyfus regardless of her submission, but the first episode bascially introduced us to the entire universe and important characters of Orange as well as present-day Piper and Piper through flashbacks. For the voters who weren’t familiar with the series, “The Chickening” would have certainly been confusing just to get your bearings.

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    DCurrie
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    Great points/insights all.

    Does anyone know if Julia Louis-Dreyfus submitted the pilot for “The New Adventures of Old Christine” when she won?

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    David Buchanan
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    Great points/insights all.
    Does anyone know if Julia Louis-Dreyfus submitted the pilot for “The New Adventures of Old Christine” when she won?

    She submitted “Supertramp”, which was the second episode of the series to air (and a much better choice than the pilot, in my opinion).

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    DCurrie
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    [quote=”DCurrie”]Great points/insights all.
    Does anyone know if Julia Louis-Dreyfus submitted the pilot for “The New Adventures of Old Christine” when she won?

    She submitted “Supertramp”, which was the second episode of the series to air (and a much better choice than the pilot, in my opinion).[/quote]

    Ah yes that’s right, thank you! I remember that now, and in retrospect, “Supertramp” was much better for her!!

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    Riley
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    since Julianna Margulies botched her season 1 submission by not submitting the pilot of TGW. LOL

    Should Margulies have submitted the pilot?  Probably, but please, do you really think that that was the difference between beating “Maternal Instincts”?

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