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  • jf123
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    #355087

    Currently 6 out of the 7 experts, 3 of the 6 editors, and 340 users are predicting Bill Murray to win for Oliver Kitteridge. Which I don’t get AT ALL.

    Mostly everyone is saying that his nomination is just name checking, which works for nominations, but rarely works for wins. He doesnt show up for the first two episodes, has a minor cameo in the third, and appears in the last half of the fourth. And while his characters has a huge impact on the story, he really does nothing. 

    So why are people predicting him? 

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    CanadianFan
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    #355089

    People predicting Murray either haven’t finished ‘Olive Kitteridge’, or have ZERO faith in Emmy voters.

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    Chris Beachum
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    Murray is outstanding in the final half hour. His character completely changes the title character.

    He is also a big film star, and that is the type of person voters often choose, especially when there isn’t an overwhelming frontrunner.

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    jf123
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    Murray is outstanding in the final half hour. His character completely changes the title character.

    He is also a big film star, and that is the type of person voters often choose, especially when there isn’t an overwhelming frontrunner.

    But I think that it will throw some voters off that they have to wait 2 hours to see a two minute cameo from him then wait another hour to actually see him do his thing. 

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    Chris Beachum
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    Voters often don’t even watch the movies and miniseries that are nominated.

    Just look at many of the winners over the years. They just choose who they want in many of those categories.

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    Gone_Guy
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    The voters go for the film legends, veterans, Oscar winners, and Oscar nominees. It’s HBO. It’s his first Emmy nom. He has win written all over him. Plus, he’s coming in with a Golden Globe nom and a win from the Critics Choice TV Awards. 

    If they want to give it to the best performance within the category, they’ll make it a race between Michael Kenneth Williams and Finn Wittrock. It’s impossible to pick between those two, as they were both stellar performances.

    How I rank the best performances of the nominees:
    1. Wittrock
    2. Williams
    3. Lewis
    4. Murray
    5. O’Hare
    TBD: Cabral

    What I predict the ballot will look like:
    1. Murray
    2 & 3. Lewis & O’Hare
    4 & 5. Williams & Wittrock
    TBD: Cabral

    Prove me wrong, Emmy voters. 

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    Riley
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    I generally disagree with Boomer’s generalization that voters are not watching the tapes in these categories.  Recent upsets by people like Jessica Lange, Kathy Bates and Laura Linney were clearly tape-driven and they had been discounted because people made the mistake of thinking that tapes do not matter in these categories.

    Having said that, particularly in these supporting categories for movies and miniseries, these can turn very much into little more than the “veteran award”.  See James Cromwell and Ellen Burstyn defeating Critics’ Choice winners Zachary Quinto and Sarah Paulson two years ago.

    But Bill Murray actually won Critics’ Choice, so there is not a strong enough consensus for another nominee as the rightful winner anyway.  Then again, maybe Critics’ Choice is losing its touch, seeing as the Emmys had to be the ones to correct them this year about Empire.

    No, Murray does not show appear at all until the top of the third hour and does not land until the back half of the fourth, but it is not like there is a Kathy Bates in the category this year that is just tearing up the scenery from the get-go.  Damian Lewis shows up at the end of the first hour of Wolf Hall.  Denis O’Hare is not in the first two episodes of Freak Show at all.  And Finn Wittrock’s worthy material came in the back half of a thirteen-episode season.  So Murray not having anything at the beginning?  Not really a crutch in this lineup.

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    Gabriel
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    I’m predicting him to win because I don’t trust the voters not to name-check. No way in hell does he deserve it, but it is what it is.

    People predicting Murray either haven’t finished ‘Olive Kitteridge’, or have ZERO faith in Emmy voters.

    Yep, that.

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    Deniz Sisman
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    I generally disagree with Boomer’s generalization that voters are not watching the tapes in these categories.  Recent upsets by people like Jessica Lange, Kathy Bates and Laura Linney were clearly tape-driven and they had been discounted because people made the mistake of thinking that tapes do not matter in these categories.

    Having said that, particularly in these supporting categories for movies and miniseries, these can turn very much into little more than the “veteran award”.  See James Cromwell and Ellen Burstyn defeating Critics’ Choice winners Zachary Quinto and Sarah Paulson two years ago.

    But Bill Murray actually won Critics’ Choice, so there is not a strong enough consensus for another nominee as the rightful winner anyway.  Then again, maybe Critics’ Choice is losing its touch, seeing as the Emmys had to be the ones to correct them this year about Empire.

    No, Murray does not show appear at all until the top of the third hour and does not land until the back half of the fourth, but it is not like there is a Kathy Bates in the category this year that is just tearing up the scenery from the get-go.  Damian Lewis shows up at the end of the first hour of Wolf Hall.  Denis O’Hare is not in the first two episodes of Freak Show at all.  And Finn Wittrock’s worthy material came in the back half of a thirteen-episode season.  So Murray not having anything at the beginning?  Not really a crutch in this lineup.

    Are you impliying that Bates, Lange and Linney are not big enough names to survive the name-check? I don’t think so. Yea they faced some stiff competition with Julia Roberts, Cicely Tyson and Helen Mirren/Sigourney Weaver in their categories, respectively but all 7 of this people is popular and respected enough to be name-checked.

    I agree to Boomer. Name-check ALWAYS happens in these categories and I think it’s not right from the beginning to ask someone to watch ten hour or thirteen hour miniseries like Fargo or AHS. Especially if you’re judging a Supporting category and the nominee don’t even appear in some episodes at all. In the end, they lost their faith and don’t watch any of it.
    Critics’ really lost its credibility when they awarded Murray.I think they made that to earn some recognition and not to look like the show always awarding the campy and young performance.(And maybe they wanted to agree with Emmys for once in that category? So I’d laugh my ass off if Emmys awards Wittrock while Critics have stuck with Murray at the end of the day.)  I mean, how can the same people who thinks Quinto is deserving not feel the same about Wittrock?

    My only comfort is both Olive Kitteridge and AHS very popular this year among the voters. If enough people have watched both series they would know who’s deserving and who’s not. If they’d still go for Murray, screw this new system!

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    Macbeth
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    Oh come on, leave Bill Murray alone. He’s a fine actor and a comedy legend, and if he wins the Emmy, he wouldn’t be the most deserving (that would be Finn Wittrock, who gives a tour-de-force performance) but he still wouldn’t be a terrible winner.

    We are viewing this in a very corrupted way – we are seeing Olive Kitteridge as a long, four-hour film (which it is, in essence), but we are ignoring the fact that it is divided into four chapters, and that Murray is a popular film star, a legend and a friend of many voters, and a hero to many more.

    Now let’s compare two of Murray’s performances from 2014 – St. Vincent and Olive Kitteridge. I have no doubt that the former is far superior, and he shows great range in St. Vincent. It is also true that he only has anything to do at the end of the fourth chapter of Olive Kitteridge, and he doesn’t do much other than play the role as it is supposed to be played. If you’ve read the book, you’ll now that the character called for Murray’s flat and droll performance, and he didn’t have that much to do either way.

    However…

    What if Olive Kitteridge were a Drama series? I have no doubt that Bill Murray would most certainly be a lock to win Best Guest Actor in a Drama Series. Now I know we can’t look at transcending categories, but on the pure basis of his performance, it is good enough and contributes enough to the story to be an Emmy-winning performance in any other case. I’m not saying he is the best in the category – he isn’t. That is obviously Finn Wittrock.

    What I am essentially saying here is that if there is a showdown between Bill Murray vs. Finn Wittrock, the answer is obviously Finn. Murray pales in comparison to him, and if Murray beats out a performance like Finn’s, it will be a dark day. However, Murray isn’t nearly as dreadful as people say, and his performance is certainly good enough for his name-checking win to not be seen as a travesty.  

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    Anthony
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    Stranger things have happened. I think the Emmy system was proven completely laughable and lazy back when Ellen Burstyn was nominated for Best Supporting Actress in a Miniseries/TV Movie for Mrs. Harris for only appearing onscreen for 14 SECONDS!! Two tiny small scenes split up during an interview sequence. I could probably actually quote the lines it was so brief. 

    If there was ever a nomination to question from pretty much any award show, that is the best example.

     

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    KyleBailey
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    It would be a travesty to not honor the best performance in this category 2 years in a row. It would make the Emmys look like the Golden Globes, who are kicking the Emmy’s ass in credibility these days 

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    OnTheAisle
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    I think Bill Murray would be a fine winner for the Emmy. In Olive Kitteridge, he does solid work as Jack Kennison, the late in life love interest. The role requires Murray in essence to replace the fine Richard Jenkins as the screen partner to Frances McDormand.

    If an actor is going to work one on one with one of our finest actresses at the top of her game, he is going to have to give a strong performance. No amount of close ups and editing tricks will prevent him from fading away like an old pair of blue jeans.

    Murray does this. McDormand does some her best work in the four hours of Olive Kitteridge while working with Murray. Simply because he gives an understated performance does not merit the unwarranted accusation of name checking.

    We have seen this race before – a fresh face in a flashy role that enlivens a tired vehicle pitted against a previously unrecognized legend who has given a solid performance in a stellar one.

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    taloson
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    I have a feeling Murray’s performance might be considered too understated, and considering the Emmys like LOUD and SPEECHES, it just doesn’t feel like the type of thing they would reward. I know he’s a legend in the industry and there will be plenty who vote for him just to see whatever crazy speech he comes up with, but I don’t think he’ll have the votes to win. Personally, I’m going with Damian Lewis. He’s a recent Emmy winner, playing an outrageous historical figure and he really sinks his teeth into the role. Finn Wittrock is too young and fresh-faced.

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    Rooney Moore
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    What if Olive Kitteridge were a Drama series? I have no doubt that Bill Murray would most certainly be a lock to win Best Guest Actor in a Drama Series. 

    No. No subtle performance like this, never won an Emmy in that category as far as I am concerned.

    I do not criticize Murray for being so subtle and emotionless on that role- Actually that’s what that role meant to be. His wife has died a short time ago, and he was sick of life before he met Olive-
    But I find it hard to believe that he or anyone should be awarded for this. I’m still baffled by his G.G nom.(And he actually was the frontrunner on GoldDerby for winning that category)

    Yea, actors can give amazing performances in this kinda silent and effective roles but this part was so short and rushed we didn’t even have a chance to get into the character entirely. Cory Michael Smith‘s part was also very limited and featured in only one epsiode like this; but either because of his backstory or his performance; that part was effected everyone much more.
    So you gotta understand, we’re not criticizing because it was short or underperformed; we’re criticizing it because none of us really didn’t impressed or inspired by this performance as we had like other performances in that category. And yes he won’t be the worst winner of this category in the last decade or maybe even in last five years, but why award this while you have better choices?

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