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  • Anonymous
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    #355419

    Okay, not “hate,” but…I was thinking about how both my favorite shows this century were Series and Writing juggernauts but could never manage a Directing win so I looked through history. They’re the only shows to have 3 wins in one episodic category but 0 in the other. Neither does another show have 2+ Series wins and 2 wins in one episodic category, yet 0 in the other.

    What’s the deal?


    Now, 30 Rock: high-profile pilots from showy hours Ugly Betty and Pushing Daisies and Glee sure I guess in terms of baitiness.
    But 3 different episodes losing to Office’s Stress Relief – weird vote split?
    I suppose MF’s first directing win was to show support for the show after giving it to Glee the previous year, though Live Show’s better?
    But the 30 Rock series finale beaten by that random meh MF episode? Hmm.

    Mad Men: House’s Head over the MM pilot, goodbye. I guess they didn’t want Taylor to win 2 consecutive years…?

    Jet Set losing to ER series finale; I mean, series finale of a legendary run, sure I guess.

    Guy Walks Into losing to Getaway, I dunno I haven’t seen the latter but I know it’s the show’s only nommed ep.

    That 2nd Boardwalk Empire win over Other Woman…mmm.
    And now the series finale isn’t even nominated. 

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    dsps84
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    #355421

    I always wondered about this. And about why directors are obsessed with Boardwalk Empire so much. At least MF had series wins to back up its directing domination.

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    adamunc
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    #355422

    I wonder if it’s because those two shows were considered very writer-centric?

    The West Wing was too, but everyone had such a hard-on for that show because of the politics, plus it had some directors who were already highly respected in the Directors’ Guild.

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    Icky
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    #355423

    Mad Men and 30 Rock are indeed considered “writer’s shows”. Their direction is rarely showy. And the directors’ branch has always been a quirky bunch. 

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    Anonymous
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    Hmm, maybe the branch is weird; over at the DGA, both shows are winners.

    Odd for the shows to be considered so extravagantly “writers’ shows” for their Emmy episodic wins to be record-breakingly lopsided, especially when, say, Dexter and House which beat MM got no other directing noms during their runs which could imply that the directors didn’t even like those shows much usually.

     West Wing got 3 directing wins and 1 writing win.

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    Icky
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    #355425

    There was far less competition for slots in TWW’s days. Also, that show had a “sweeping” look to it, and many of its directing nominees were for people who worked in the industry for an extended period of time. 

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    Blame the tape system.  Mad Men won DGA twice and 30 Rock even got three Emmy nominations one year, so these two shows obviously did very well in popular votes, but they could not fall back on their general popularity when voters were forced to watch them against standout episodes like “House’s Head” and “Stress Relief” (and even “Arrested”, the best Modern Family episode that I have ever seen) or more dynamic fare like “Pie-lette” or Glee.  General popularity was also not enough when facing a show with even greater general popularity, like when “Live Show” lost to “Halloween”.

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    Sócrates Ochoa
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    I agree both shows are not as flashy, directing-wise, although Live Show losing against MF still baffles me.

    As much as I loved The Other Woman, The Gateaway was really an incredible episode, I was over the moon when it won. Totally deserved it.

    The directors and the writers branch pretty much go their own way, that’s probably one of the hardest categories to predict and perhaps also one of my favorites. Even in the mini-movie category bring on some suprises, like when The Hour won best writing (also SO deserving).

    And even this year nominees proof that there are some people there paying attention on some shows that doesn’t have overall support, see The Americans nomination for best writing for “Do Mail Robots Dream Of Electric Sheep?” or Boardwalk Empire for best directing, which I know probably they name-checked Tim Van Patten, but Eldorado was an amazing series finale.

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    BenitoDelicias
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    The Getaway was a fantastic episode. No way Mad Men ever produced something that exciting from a directing point of view. 

    30 Rock losing for Live Show can’t be explained. At least not against a MF episode. 

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    #355429

    I don’t intend to come out ass more of an asshole than usual, but these people still trashing Boardwalk Empire knows nothing about how directing an episode works, all wins were deservedly so, I am not being a fanboy, I don’t think Eldorado deserves to win this year, that was “Devil you Know’s” emmy to lose, too bad. 

    Go Lesli Linka Glatter!!!

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    Gone_Guy
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    #355430

    I’ll never understand how Breaking Bad went without a single Directing win.

    2008
    – Vince Gilligan, “Pilot”
    *Lost to Greg Yaitanes, House (“House’s Head”)

    2009 – No noms.

    2010
    – Michelle MacLaren, “One Minute”
    *Lost to Steve Shill, Dexter (“The Getaway”)

    2011 – Ineligible.

    2012
    – Vince Gilligan, “Face Off”
    *Lost to Tim Van Patten, Boardwalk Empire (“To The Lost”)

    2013
    – Michelle MacLaren, “Gliding Over All”
    *Lost to David Fincher, House of Cards (“Chapter 1”)

    2014
    – Vince Gilligan, “Felina”
    *Lost to Cary Fukunaga, True Detective (“Who Goes There”)

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    Blame the tape system.  Mad Men won DGA twice and 30 Rock even got three Emmy nominations one year, so these two shows obviously did very well in popular votes, but they could not fall back on their general popularity when voters were forced to watch them against standout episodes like “House’s Head” and “Stress Relief” (and even “Arrested”, the best Modern Family episode that I have ever seen) or more dynamic fare like “Pie-lette” or Glee.  General popularity was also not enough when facing a show with even greater general popularity, like when “Live Show” lost to “Halloween”.

    DGA is also an interesting issue, though. As far as I’m concerned,  they have never awarded an episode which already won an Emmy before that. Other guilds don’t seem to have an issue with that but appearantly DGA intentionally doesn’t want to award the same performance in both areas and usually go for the ”robbed” one at the Emmys. They didn’t even award True Detective’s baity ”Who Goes There” because it had already won an Emmy. Boardwalk Empire’s Pilot and Modern Family’s Halloween both won an Emmy and a DGA but DGA was to first one to recognized them and TV Academy has followed its path.
    So it’s not fair to think all episodes who won an DGA were the bests in their years, but in general, they’re more fair than Emmys, yes.

    Also directing branch has stopped caring about Modern Family after season 4 but I feared if the tape system would have been continued they’ll keep winning that Directing Emmy as long as the show goes on. Because how could any other sit-com/dramedy could beat single-camera mockumentary style episode really? Even if the episode itself was very meh?(See Baby on Board) Thank god they snubbed Connection Lost. I loved that episode but enough is enough. They’ve been awarded more than they deserved in that area.

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    #355432

    “Gliding Over All” losing to “Chapter 1” was the hardest loss to take.
     

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    #355433

    The overall snubs of Breaking Bad and Mad Men make me so sad. I especially wish Mad Men was nominated this year in that category and Breaking Bad should have won their last season (I wish OZYMANDIAS) was nominated but True Detective committed category fraud. Both shows had visually compelling pilots I don’t know why the pilots lost. 

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    Gabriel
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    #355434

    It was very sad that the finale of 30 Rock, of all shows, lost out to just another episode of Modern Family. And yeah, I do think Breaking Bad should have won over True Detective.

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