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  • Morgan Henard
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    I had no idea Sherman Hemsley only received one Emmy nomination for this role as opposed to Isabel Sanford’s seven. Thankfully, she got her due on nom number five (keep calm Amy Poehler fans; when JLD beats her this year, we can be reminded that like Sanford, maybe the fifth time is the charm…And that’s if she loses next year.). 

    I have yet to watch House of Lies (coming soon) so I haven’t seen Cheadle’s submission. But in voters’ minds, do you think of any of them will think, “Oh, wow…This is only the eleventh time an African American has been nominated in this category and only one win happened.”

    I know voters don’t know their history quite like we here at Gold Derby and if there’s one ceremony that couldn’t care less about sympathy, it’s the Emmys (whether it be death, a la John Ritter for 8 Simple Rules; or a perennially nominated performer who just can’t seem to win, a la Steve Carell for The Office).

    Any merit to this? Or is Parsons locked for the three-peat and that is final?

    African American History of Lead Actor in a Comedy Series at the Primetime Emmy Awards

    Redd FoxxSanford and Son
    – 1974 (lost to Alan Alda of M*A*S*H)
    – 1975 (lost to Tony Randall of The Odd Couple)

    Robert Guillaume, Benson
    – 1982 (lost to Alan Alda of M*A*S*H)
    – 1983 (lost to Judd Hirsch of Taxi)
    – 1984 (lost to John Ritter of Three’s Company)
    *1985 

    Sherman Hemsley, The Jeffersons
    – 1984 (lost to John Ritter of Three’s Company

    Tim Reid, Frank’s Place
    – 1988 (lost to Michael J. Fox of Family Ties

    Bernie Mac, The Bernie Mac Show
    – 2002 (lost to Ray Romano of Everybody Loves Raymond)
    – 2003 (lost to Tony Shalhoub of Monk)

    Don Cheadle, House of Lies
    – 2012 (TBA) 

    *EDIT: I had to compile this list myself. For whatever reason, this list along with Lead Actor in a Drama Series isn’t available on WikiPedia. So if I have missed anyone please let me know, as I am going to try to add this and Drama Actor to the WikiPedia page for African American Primetime Emmy nominees and winners.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_Primetime_Emmy_nominees_and_winners

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    Laactingnyc
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    #252814

    I think Larry David will win

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    MrAmerica
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    I had no idea Sherman Hemsley only received one Emmy nomination for this role as opposed to Isabel Sanford’s seven. Thankfully, she got her due on nom number five (keep calm Amy Poehler fans; when JLD beats her this year, we can be reminded that like Sanford, maybe the fifth time is the charm…And that’s if she loses next year.). 

    I have yet to watch House of Lies (coming soon) so I haven’t seen Cheadle’s submission. But in voters’ minds, do you think of any of them will think, “Oh, wow…This is only the eleventh time an African American has been nominated in this category and only one win happened.”

    I know voters don’t know their history quite like we here at Gold Derby and if there’s one ceremony that couldn’t care less about sympathy, it’s the Emmys (whether it be death, a la John Ritter for 8 Simple Rules; or a perennially nominated performer who just can’t seem to win, a la Steve Carell for The Office).

    Any merit to this? Or is Parsons locked for the three-peat and that is final?

    African American History of Lead Actor in a Comedy Series at the Primetime Emmy Awards

    Redd FoxxSanford and Son
    – 1974 (lost to Alan Alda of M*A*S*H)
    – 1975 (lost to Tony Randall of The Odd Couple)

    Robert Guillaume, Benson
    – 1982 (lost to Alan Alda of M*A*S*H)
    – 1983 (lost to Judd Hirsch of Taxi)
    – 1984 (lost to John Ritter of Three’s Company)
    *1985 

    Sherman Hemsley, The Jeffersons
    – 1984 (lost to John Ritter of Three’s Company

    Tim Reid, Frank’s Place
    – 1988 (lost to Michael J. Fox of Family Ties

    Bernie Mac, The Bernie Mac Show
    – 2002 (lost to Ray Romano of Everybody Loves Raymond)
    – 2003 (lost to Tony Shalhoub of Monk)

    Don Cheadle, House of Lies
    – 2012 (TBA) 

    *EDIT: I had to compile this list myself. For whatever reason, this list along with Lead Actor in a Drama Series isn’t available on WikiPedia. So if I have missed anyone please let me know, as I am going to try to add this and Drama Actor to the WikiPedia page for African American Primetime Emmy nominees and winners.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_Primetime_Emmy_nominees_and_winners

    I’m sorry but I find this post to be a little racist. And even if I didn’t, I think it’s more of a stretch than silly putty.

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    Morgan Henard
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    I’m sorry but I find this post to be a little racist. And even if I didn’t, I think it’s more of a stretch than silly putty.

    Whoa, are you serious? I couldn’t hit the reply button fast enough and my fingertips are on fire trying to get out what I am about to write.

    Does anyone else feel this to be even slightly racist? If so, that was not my intention at all, and if more find it that way I will absolutely delete the entire thing and apologize profusely. That is certainly not where my intentions lie.

    My point in creating this thread is there have been some iconic characters created by African American men – George Jefferson and Fred Sanford portrayed by Sherman Hemsley and Redd Foxx, respectively – who never won. I thankfully don’t have to include Guillaume’s Benson in that because he fortunately did get an Emmy for his mantle.

    I’m not trying to make this about race (a la LindaTno1) but rather raise attention to the fact that this category isn’t exactly noteable when it comes to recognizing African American actors for nominations and, obviously, wins.

    There was no racist or malicious intent behind it but if more posters chime in and are offended I will delete it and it will hopefully be forgotten by you guys. 

    On the topic, I just know if Cheadle had an out-of-nowhere type of surprise win (a la Ricky Gervais of Extras) we would be trying to figure out where the surprise came from and I figured some may speculate that “Well, maybe voters realized African Americans haven’t been given their due in this category, and what a better time to begin than right now.”   

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    Well, Gervais had won a TCA and Globe for The Office, whose American incarnation won Best Comedy the previous year. And he was up to 5 noms as an individual. He also had 4 Baftas for his performances on those shows, though I dunno if that made a difference.

    I don’t see this thread as maliciously racist, but perhaps liberal-white-guilt borderline racist. Which is forgivable. 

    Also I’ve been predicting Giancarlo Esposito for months so if there is such a thing as wanting to fill a quotient… 

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    Morgan Henard
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    Well, Gervais had won a TCA and Globe for The Office, whose American incarnation won Best Comedy the previous year. And he was up to 5 noms as an individual. He also had 4 Baftas for his performances on those shows, though I dunno if that made a difference.

    I don’t see this thread as maliciously racist, but perhaps liberal-white-guilt borderline racist. Which is forgivable. 

    Well that’s good. You are referring to films like The Blind Side and The Help, right? 

    Also I’ve been predicting Giancarlo Esposito for months so if there is such a thing as wanting to fill a quotient… [/quote] 

    If this win (and Julianne Moore’s) doesn’t happen, it will be the worst ceremony of the night. I was actually happy Dinklage had botched his submission and not submitted “Blackwater.” Now Dinklage’s “Blackwater” versus Esposito’s “Hermanos” is gonna be the showdown of the century. 

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    Atypical
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    This topic is pretty gross and distasteful. If Cheadle wins, it hopefully won’t be b/c a black television icon who died wasn’t properly rewarded in his day, so to make amends, white liberal guilt sets in with voters to reward the next best thing current day.

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    TV12
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    No. If he wins it’ll be because voters are lazy and they picked the movie star.

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    My mind didn’t go “racist”, it just went “unbelieveable”. I’m just amazed when threads like these are created. Like that Sherri/Whoopi/TheView thread. 

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    I don’t think Larry David will win. I think comedians-who-also-act have had such a historical disadvantage that it’s not a wise idea to bet on them unless what they submitted can knock out the competition. (That was the case, ten years, ago with 2002 winner Ray Romano.) If anyone bucks the odds, Louis C.K. before Larry David.

    Category reverts back to regular actors, with two double winners, Alec Baldwin and Jim Parsons, and then bring up Don Cheadle possibly suprassing them and winning the gold. (I didn’t forget about 2009 supporting-actor winner Jon Cryer.)    

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    eastwest
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    Swing and a miss, Morgan. One doesn’t have anything to do w/the other. But I won’t call your post a total wash. It does bring to light the sorry track record of the academy’s lack of recognition for black people. Only 6 actors for comedy series!? That is just shameful (though the man who would’ve won many Emmys, never submitted himself).

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    Denis
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    Larry David will win this for his amazing performance on last season of CYE, accept it and move on guys

    Kidding.

    But no,  serious.

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    In fact they BOTH are available on Wikipedia.  I just did a search in Yahoo for them and here they are.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primetime_Emmy_Award_for_Outstanding_Lead_Actor_in_a_Comedy_Series

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primetime_Emmy_Award_for_Outstanding_Lead_Actor_-_Drama_Series

    Boidiva, those two pages are the entire history of the category. I was referring to specifically when an African American was won and/or nominated. Those lists have been compiled except for Lead Comedy Actor and Lead Drama Actor. Click below.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_Primetime_Emmy_nominees_and_winners 

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