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  • FreemanGriffin
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    #432715

    I’ve noticed a trend throughout this season of a disdain for almost all of the original scores from this season. I read the word “generic” over and over describing the scores this season. Here are the potential nominees:

    Aladdin, Alan Menken and Chad Beguelin (4 songs)
    Big Fish, Andrew Lippa
    Bridges Of Madison County, Jason Robert Brown
    First Date, Alan Zachary and Michael Weiner
    A Gentleman’s Guide to Love & Murder, Robert L. Freedman and Steven Lutvak
    If/Then, Tom Kitt and Brian Yorkey
    Rocky, Lynn Ahrens and Stephen Flaherty
    Soul Doctor, Schlomo Carlebach and David Schecter (probably inegible due to lack of original songs)

    Sometimes they nominate scores from plays but I don’t see this happening this season. I think Big Fish, Bridges of Madison County, and A Gentleman’s Guide… are likely nominees, with the foruth nomination a toss-up between the  3 others (First Date, If/Then, and Rocky; most likely If/Then despite getting mostly negative comments about its score by most reviewers and commentators)

    Based on everyting I have heard and read, I think Gentleman’s Guide is the most likely winner…

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    SamEckmann
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    I dont know how Gentleman’s Guide doesnt win this one. 

    Sould Doctor, if I remember correctly, contains a large amount of pre-existing music Carlebach had performed previously. So I dont know if its score will be eligible. Similarly, Im unclear if Aladdin will include enough new material to be eligible. There are only 4 numbers original to the stage version.  But youre right, for many Ive talked to this has been a season of “meh” from favorite composers.

    1.) A Gentleman’s Guide (wins in landslide)
    2.) Bridges of Madison County
    3.) If/Then 
    4.) Big Fish 

    As for plays: Act One has some scoring by Jeanine Tesori (who has the benefit of added presence on Bway this season with Violet), but it wasnt anything that really stands out in the show. 

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    MHayes1323
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    Is Woody Allen’s adaptation of his own work for Bullets over Broadway not eligible? I know the score isn’t, for obvious reasons, but I thought he was still eligible for the book. That would make it a two-way race between Gentlemen’s and Bullets simply because of Allen’s name and New York lustre.

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    SamEckmann
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    Book has a separate category from Score. And yes I believe Woody Allen is eligible to compete there. But the score of Bullets is all pre-existing songs and therefore ineligible in the best score category.

    Im also now hearing lots of good will towards JRB for his Madison county Score (and sympathy that the show hasnt been performing well at the box office).  So perhaps I was too confident in Gentleman’s Guide landslide as it seems it has healthy competition in Bridges of Madison County.  

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    Oops, I misread this as Book when I clicked on it! Wasn’t paying attention and was confused haha I agree entirely with your potential line-up for Best Score. Gentlemen’s Guide is the obvious frontrunner, and JRB’s nomination for Score will likely be BoMC’s only showing in the Triple Crown categories. As far as book goes, since I brought it up I suppose, I think the nominees will be Allen, Freedman for Gentlemen’s, Beguilin for Aladdin, and Yorkey for If/ Then. I don’t see anything else that can really get in here, unless there’s a lot of Tony love for Andrew Lippa and John August, or Bridges overperforms (unlikely with its box office). 

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    Djoko
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    A Gentleman’s Guide, Bridges of Madison County, and If/Then are the locks for noms in the category. The fourth nominee is up for grabs.

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    I do have to chime in about the Bridges score. I have always admired JRB for his music (particularly the craftsmanship of PARADE and certain songs from his other works), but I have never been a die-hard fan. However, the score to Bridges is absolutely lovely, especially musically. I will admit that when I first heard snippets of the songs, I was not impressed but it grew on me significantly over time. Plus, every good review or even some of the mixed ones still seemed to praise the score to high heavens….and not that it is relevant but my partner, who is an unabashed JRB lover, has always contended that he would never top his work on PARADE and even they feel he may have just topped himself with Bridges.

    I am not saying it will win Score, but I do think it deserves to contend but its lack of box office could hurt it which is unfair.

    A Gentleman’s Guide to Love & Murder is my kind of show. I love character actor pieces and this one is a riot and I love the score….it is really an apples to oranges comparison: quirky with Guide and then lush with Bridges. I think, in the end, I will be extremely happy if one of these win.

    If/Then will probably be nominated here and I understand that it may get that good will because of lack of competition and being an original piece, but I do sincerely feel it doesn’t deserve it. That score is absolutely horrible.

     

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    Some thoughts on the score race–I feel sort of out of touch this year because I haven’t been able to make it to New York so I’ve been listening to recordings. The only one of the contenders I’ve actually seen was If/Then (during its DC run).

     

    Been listening to The Bridges of Madison County recording the past couple of days, and I have to say, I was very disappointed. Other than the ravishing “One Second and a Million Miles”, it all seemed very static to me. Too many of the songs were of the “Let me tell you how I feel right at this moment… and then go on about it at length” variety. None seemed to drive the plot (though admittedly there isn’t much plot to drive) and all the songs for the husband and kids were filler. The one song that struck me as an inspired moment of introspection for Francesca’s character (“Before and After You”) was given short shrift! That could have been built into a Tony moment for Kelli O’Hara (whose voice is heavenly but whose Italian accent was, sad to say, distracting).

     

    If/Then has about four songs that I really like, then a bunch of meh. It seems they had a hard time finding the right moments for songs because they expended so much energy setting up a very complex construct and then didn’t use it well. I think the show may have worked better had they not switched back and forth between the stories so often–maybe only two or three times per act and made the shifts like mini-act endings with more impact and better song opportunities. This would also have allowed the audience to get more involved in the stories rather than constantly being aware of the structure. When they got it right (“Here I Go”, “Hey Kid”, “You Learn to Live Without”, “Always Starting Over”), the show worked, but they just didn’t get it right often enough.

     

    My choice would be A Gentleman’s Guide to Love and Murder. The music, with its pastiche operetta style, is mostly just serviceable, but the lyrics are incredibly smart and witty. But they never cross the line into being too clever for their own good and they stay on point.

     

    These three I would agree are very likely nominees. I think the fourth slot will go to Big Fish by default. Its chief competition will be Aladdin if its score is deemed eligible. But despite lingering sentiment for Howard Ashman, I think voters will bypass it because they know the new material is passable at best and all the score’s best shots are from the movie. Plus, there’s probably still some resentment that they had to actually give the Tony to another Disney movie-cobbled-into-an-eligible-stage-score a couple of years ago in Newsies. (Hey, it was either that or give it to Frank Wildhorn! Talk about Sophie’s choice.) Rocky and First Date can hang up the phone because no one’s answering. That just leaves Lippa, who’s still respected even though his last two Broadway scores have been coolly received.

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    adumunc, I actually do agree regarding the constant “You…you….you….you…” that seems to permeate the score of Bridges and the score definitely isn’t perfect. I still think that PARADE may be his best score in terms of creative structure, but some of his most beautiful work in terms of melodies come from Bridges, but we all can’t agree on everything 🙂

    And to comment on your statement about Newsies and Bonnie & Clyde, I agree that being able to say Tony Winner Frank Wildhorn makes me want to go rush to the bathroom as if I just spent the last several hours drinking straight Tequila, but I actually thought his work on Bonnie & Clyde was his best work. For me, How ‘Bout a Dance may be the best music he wrote and it had me hooked almost instantly and I said to my partner, who for some reason is one of the few who actually likes his work, that I feel Wildhorn was possessed by someone with good musicality when he wrote this score….so, I think I would rather them have given it to him (gasp) than to Newsies.

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    I think B&C was probably his best work for Broadway as well, because he actually seemed to be somewhat inspired by the show’s milieu rather than writing a bunch of generic power ballads with half-step key changes at the end of the bridge. Several of the songs actually felt very specific to time and place, but the lyrics were sub-standard.

     

    My favorite work of his actually tends to be some of the stand-alone songs he wrote for Linda Eder’s albums. Chamber numbers like “Now” and the jazzier swing tunes like “It’s No Secret Anymore” and “I Want More” are really stunning.

     

    I adore the Parade score.

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    I dont think Bridges of Madison County tops what JRB did in Parade, but I did like it much more than I expected. The main issue for me was that so many of the songs sound basically the same. When taken outside of the show and listened to separately/one at a time on the soundtrack they are quite lovely. And Pasquale and O’Hara sing their faces off and sound fantastic. But when youre at a show…well, it becomes “how many of these lush sweeping love ballads ARE there?”.  I suppose it is possible though that voters could appreciate Gentleman’s guide more for its lyrics, and Bridges more for its music.  The race is certainly between those two. 

    I had heard from one person that they believed Aladdin has enough transition music and underscoring to be eligible for best score if the songs “High Adventure” and “Proud of Your Boy” are deemed “new material”.  But seeing as how they were both written for the film (and “Proud of Your Boy” has been heard in audition rooms and on stage in Aladdin Jr for years) I dont know that the nominators will feel that way.  If it somehow manages eligibility I can see it taking Big Fish’s slot, but I wont hold my breath.

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    After now listening to Bridges and Gentleman’s scores my vote would go with Bridges personally. While I liked the witty Gentleman score the bridges score is much better. I will say that I am a JRB fanboy and love most of his work but this score is just really special for me. Many of the songs standout to me like “One Second and a Million Milles”, “To Build a Home”, “Almost Real” and many more as apposed to the Gentleman score where I only really like “I’ve Decided to Marry You”. While I would not predict Bridges now I could see it possibly being a dark horse.

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    If the Tonys split their Score award into Lyrics and Music, as the Drama Desk does, it’d be an easy call to give Gentlemen’s the lyrics and Bridges the music, but as it stands, Gentlemen’s is the frontrunner, in that it has solid, consistent musicality and a pretty fantastic libretto and set of lyrics. Bridges, meanwhile, has lush, sometimes downright beautiful melodies, but not nearly as consistent a song set. The less said about some of the heavy-handed, declarative lyrics that JRB resorts to, the better.

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