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  • Joe Burns
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    Hey you all!!!  So this is such a fun thread on the Oscar’s forum  that I thought we could do one  for the Tonys, here are some of mine:  

    1.  if Beautiful did  not exist ,  would Kelli O’Hara have triumphed at the Tonys this past june?  Or would Sutton Foster or Idina Menzel  have won?  

    2.  If The  Little Dog Laughed didn’t exist,  who would have  been nominated  and won  Best Actress In A Play instead of Julie White?  

    3.  If Avenue Q had come out in the 04-05  season instead,  could it have beaten Spamlot?  What  show would have been snubbed in 05   to make room for Q and  what had been nominated in 04 to  replace it?  

    4.  If  Lea Michelle  had never done Glee and had stuck to Broadway ,  do  you think she could have played some roles in shows that other women got Tony nominations for?  Do you think she could have won for any of them?  

    5.If Donna Murphy  had lost for Passion to Judy Kuhn  in She Loves or Susan Egan, in Beauty And The Beast  would she have beatten Idina Menzel ten years later?  

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    Anthony
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    I always love these types of games! However, it is very hard when it comes to the Tonys to decipher how they will vote, but I will try my best.

    #1-I think had Beautiful not opened this past season, it would’ve been very likely for Kelli O’Hara to finally win her overdue Tony. It could also be said that without Beautiful then MAYBE Bridges would’ve slipped into the Musical race as well which would’ve gave her win more weight. As fantastic as Sutton Foster was in Violet, I just don’t see them giving her a 3rd Tony for it….I could see her eventually winning a 3rd one though. Idina Menzel’s chances may have been better, but I think O’Hara would’ve won.

    #2-As for who would’ve got in….I think it would have been Marian Seldes for Deuce. As for who would’ve won? That is hard to bank on. I don’t really remember that race and the only performance I saw WAS Julie White. I remember Vanessa Redgrave got a lot of buzz at the time so perhaps her?

    #3-Honestly, as much as I would’ve loved for Avenue Q to bump Spamalot off the nominations list, I am very doubtful that would’ve happened. It probably would’ve bumped off Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, which deserved its nomination in my opinion. As for whether or not it would be Spamalot, if Piazza couldn’t then I doubt Avenue Q would have. In the 2003-4 race, I think Taboo really was the only option of what could’ve sneaked in as a replacement. The winner more than likely would’ve been Wicked but my heart wishes it would’ve been Caroline.

    #4-I think she could have played some roles, though nothing immediately comes to mind….I am not the biggest fan of her so I have a negative bias but I can’t imagine her doing better in certain roles.

    #5-Had Donna Murphy lost for Passion, that would’ve been a huge disgrace….but had she, I think it would’ve been a little easier to tackle Idina Menzel, but I have a feeling there was a groundswell building to reward Menzel that year even though it should’ve went to Tonya Pinkins.

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    CAROL-CHANNING
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    #5 – No one stood any chance of beating Menzel in 2004.  This best actress race is fascinating because critics and journalists pretty much had each of the 5 nominees as the frontrunner at one point or another.  Donna Murphy’s buzz probably lasted the longest out of all of them, but Idina’s buzz picked up steam at the exact right moment.  The second she and the show were announced as heading to Broadway, however, I knew the Tony was hers.  As amazing as all the other women were (Pinkins was my personal fav), Elphaba is the star-making role, and Menzel had the uniqueness and iconic quality.  All of this sealed the deal from the very beginning.

    So, no, if Murphy had lost for Passion (which would have been outrageous), she still would have had her Tony for The King & I.  Voters wouldn’t have been so eager to give her a second Tony that they would have ignored Menzel.  Had Murphy been completely Tony-less in 2004, then she would have stood more of a chance. 

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    SamEckmann
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    #1. Absolutely. Both women are terrific, but it ultimately went to Mueller because she had the narrative. They got to crown the new “it girl” of Broadway who came out swining a few years ago and has worked constantly since. O’Hara deserves a Tony for her talents, but her narrative was the overdue factor, which people have been talking about long before last years race. In a few interviews she stated that she hoped that if she ever won a Tony it would be for a deserving role that she loved, that pushed her, and showed her best work. She clearly thought Bridges was that role for her, she campaigned her ass off for it. Had Mueller not been there, she would have definitely been on stage at Radio City. 

    #4. Not sure. I cant seem to bring too many recent shows to mind that have a lead she fits well. Perhaps Bonnie and Clyde? Or Natalie in Next to Normal? With her belting style, she probably would have been up for Ghost too. None of those turned into real “star-making” roles. Like some of the women who played them: perhaps a nomination, but a win would have been very doubtful.
     

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    tonorlo
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    # 2. It was a major surprise that Seldes was left off the ballot that year; Swoosie Kurtz was the “surprise” nominee of that particular lineup. At the time, believe it or not, Redgrave really wasn’t seen as a contender to watch that year (though she would have been my choice for the win). After the nominations were announced, the Best Actress In a Play race was seen as a three-horse affair that could go any of these ways: Eve Best of “A Moon for the Misbegotten” got solid reviews for a role that’s gotten a nomination for each of its Broadway essayists (and a win for Colleen Dewhurst); she had the narrative of “late-blooming newcomer” on her side. Then there was the formidable Angela Lansbury, who at that point had yet to lose a Tony race, and was the only resident legend of the group (excepting Redgrave, who unaccountably failed to gain traction) who was getting serious consideration. Finally, Julie White was seen as the wild card pick who could benefit if the voters went for the clown in a group of rather heavy dramatic contenders (though she did have a major hurdle to overcome in the fact that “The Little Dog Laughed” had closed long before the nominations were announced). If White hadn’t won, my gut instinct is that Best probably would have been the beneficiary (there were very, very muted whisperings at the time that the nomination for Lansbury was a near-automatic genuflection on the part of the Committee to thank the Queen for showing up, as it were).

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    What if Patti LuPone had won for Sweeney Todd in 2006? Would she have won again for Gypsy in 2008? Or would Kelli O’Hara have won for South Pacific?

    What if Sutton Foster had won for The Drowsy Chaperone in 2006? Would she have won again for Anything Goes in 2011? Or would Patina Miller have won for Sister Act? Would that have stopped Miller from winning for Pippin? 

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    What if Patti LuPone had won for Sweeney Todd in 2006? Would she have won again for Gypsy in 2008? Or would Kelli O’Hara have won for South Pacific?

    What if Sutton Foster had won for The Drowsy Chaperone in 2006? Would she have won again for Anything Goes in 2011? Or would Patina Miller have won for Sister Act? Would that have stopped Miller from winning for Pippin? 

    I think this is really tricky because Patti LuPone was pretty much raved about in Gypsy and the production was pretty well respected, whereas the South Pacific revival was even more highly praised and beat Gypsy for revival. I could see Kelli O’Hara sneaking in had LuPone won for Sweeney Todd but I honestly wouldn’t be surprised had she taken both.

    Had Sutton Foster pulled off the win for DROWSY (which would’ve been an okay win), I could see them giving Patina Miller a vote towards Sister Act in that case which very well could’ve opened the door to Laura Osnes winning for Cinderella (though frankly, I think Patina Miller won for the right performance).

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    What if Idina Menzel had lost the Tony for Wicked? Would her newfound fame + star-power given her more of a chance against Jessie Mueller?

    What if Bernadette Peters had lost for Annie Get Your Gun? Would she have emerged victorious for Gypsy a few years later?

    If Anything Goes had opened a year earlier, would Sutton Foster have beaten Catherine Zeta-Jones? Who would she have replaced? Who would have replaced her/won in 2011?

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    Anthony
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    I honestly don’t think Idina Menzel would’ve won especially with how overdue Kelli O’Hara was.

    As for Bernadette, I think she deserved to win but most of her best responses came AFTER the Tonys. I think she still would have lost but barely.

    I think Sutton Foster would’ve trumped Catherine Zeta Jones and she probably would’ve taken out Christiane Noll (although frankly I think Zeta Jones should have been left off).

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    [quote=”Actriz”]What if Patti LuPone had won for Sweeney Todd in 2006? Would she have won again for Gypsy in 2008? Or would Kelli O’Hara have won for South Pacific?

    I think this is really tricky because Patti LuPone was pretty much raved about in Gypsy and the production was pretty well respected, whereas the South Pacific revival was even more highly praised and beat Gypsy for revival. I could see Kelli O’Hara sneaking in had LuPone won for Sweeney Todd but I honestly wouldn’t be surprised had she taken both.[/quote]

    This is the question that first popped into my head when I read the title of the thread! Honestly, I think LuPone still would have won for Gypsy even if she had won for Sweeney Todd. Her Rose was a tour-de-force performance, and although the clamouring about her being “overdue” would not have been as powerful, I still think the performance alone earned that Tony Award. Kelli O’Hara winning for such a sumptuous revival of South Pacific would have been nice, too, though. And man, was LuPone’s Mrs. Lovett something!

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    What if Bernadette Peters had lost for Annie Get Your Gun? Would she have emerged victorious for Gypsy a few years later?

    I think this is an unequivocal no. Her performance in Gypsy was so poorly received that even if she was overdue, the performance would never have earned Peters the Tony Award in its own right. Oh, and what a tremendous shame that Peters wasn’t nominated for Follies. Obviously, Audra was winning for Porgy and Bess regardless (over what I thought was a superior performance by Jan Maxwell), but I was in the camp that thought her performance as Sally was tremendous!

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    SamEckmann
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    Peters could have pulled off a Gypsy win. Her performance was poorly reviewed because she became deathly ill late in previews. But press week came around and she tried to rally and work through it, when by all accounts she should have been home in bed. So while her reviews were poor, those I know who saw her later when she had recovered loved the performance. And plenty of Tony voters see the show later on in the run.

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    David Buchanan
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    Peters could have pulled off a Gypsy win. Her performance was poorly reviewed because she became deathly ill late in previews. But press week came around and she tried to rally and work through it, when by all accounts she should have been home in bed. So while her reviews were poor, those I know who saw her later when she had recovered loved the performance. And plenty of Tony voters see the show later on in the run.

    That’s certainly a fair defense of Peters, SamEckmann! I am aware of how sick Peters was when the show was reviewedl however, to this day, Peters hasn’t been able to shake the stigma that her Rose is one of the weakest of any of the Broadway mountings of the show. It’s very true that voters wouldn’t be attending until later in the run when Peters was healthier and delivering a better performance, but I can’t imagine that enough voters would have seen one of her better performances, since many do not actually attend all of the shows that they’re supposed to, or perhaps would have skipped seeing her performance since they heard such negative things from industry insiders and reviews when she hadn’t found her footing. For all the ragging I’ve been doing on Peters in this role, though, her performance of Rose’s Turn from the Tony Awards is terrific, and shows a glimpse of what could have been a truly sensational performance!

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