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| May 6th 2012, 14:48 |
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I don't regard this as a major outrage, so don't put me on the same side as Vampirella (though it is a point that can be made as a generality, it is unfair to condemn any one film for this.) But it does go to my point that I make again and again about how there will soon be no more real American film industry - The Avengers is made for the world, not the US. And the world includes lots of places that would be far less accepting of gay characters in a comic-book hero film than the US, thus it means that as long as that exists, they won't be included. So blame the fact that this is made for China and India and Russia as much as for the US, where a gay character could be a cause for the film not to be shown, or to be cut. That's the reality of today's studio system.
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| May 6th 2012, 15:05 |
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Iron Man's butler, Jarvis, is gay in the Ultimate comics. In the movie, he's the computerized voice you hear in Iron Man's armor and in his mansion and tower. And yes, the X-Men do have gay characters, and their struggle for equality for mutants is similar to the fight for gay rights. Emmy 2013 FYC: Jonathan Banks, Breaking Bad; Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Game of Thrones; Jennifer Carpenter, Dexter; Katheryn Winnick, Vikings |
| May 6th 2012, 15:27 |
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Really, is this the day to be giving a big fig on this issue? Respectfully, that's for another time. These are just a partial list of the records obilterated by The Avengers this weekend · Biggest domestic opening weekend of all time; · 2nd-best Friday of all time: $80.5m (record still is Deathly Hallows 2: $91m) · Best Saturday of all time: $69.7m (old record: Spiderman 3: $51,336,472); · Best Sunday of all time: $50.1m (old record: The Dark Knight - $43,596,151); · Highest grossing opening weekend in IMAX’s history ($15m from JUST those screens alone); · Domestic weekend per-screen average for a wide release over 2000 screens: $46,063 · Fastest film to reach $200M (3 days); · Crossed $600M global boxoffice threshold today after just 12 days of release; · 8th biggest midnight opening; · Audience: 50% over 25, 50% under 25; 60% male, 40% female; 55% couples, 24% family, 21% teens. · Biggest opening weekend of all time in Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Ecuador, Central America, Peru, Bolivia, Hong Kong, Malaysia, New Zealand and the Philippines To keep this on-topic, Joss Whedon, meet Christopher Nolan and James Cameron. Our country's cream of the crop big-time, big- movie directors. Half-filled at the AMC Franklin Mills 14, 9:40AM RealD 3D showing on a *Sunday*. Unheard of. It was as good a movie as you'll see in a long, long time. Can you imagine the militant faction of AMPAS membership, the ones who emulate the GO(T)P in always engaging in obstructionism and just saying no, that is, to everything Obama seeks) to blockbuster movies getting actual big-ticket acting, writing and directing Oscars, to say nothing of BP? They're tearing what's left of their collective hair out right now. Three movies are going to make a combined 10 figures at the domestic ticket window this year (Hunger Games, Avengers, Dark Knight Rises), and it will be a 1980 Miracle on Ice-esque accomplishment if any of them get cited for their acting, writing or directing. Even though Avengers did its part. In an ideal world, nominations for Picture, Actor (Downey), Supporting Actor (Ruffalo, Hemsworth or Hiddleston), Director, Screenplay, and every last tech award. It deserves a SAG nomination for Ensemble. I didn't think Avatar could be equaled as a emotionally satisfying moviegoing experience. Until about 12:20PM today, when the credits rolled. This would be a most worthy successor to Avatar in the all-time domestic boxoffice ranking. And it's got ability, heart and greatness to spare. |
| May 6th 2012, 15:59 |
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WTF |
| May 6th 2012, 16:11 |
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I think, taking in sensatiable numbers from both foreign and domestic markets, we could be looking at a contender for the highest-grossing film in history. I don't think "Avatar" will be safe for long. And could we also be seeing a contender for the Oscars next month? The score was fantastic and the visuals and sound effects could receive a lot of attention. I was actually quite moved by Mark Ruffalo's performance, who gave The Hulk a very human, vulnerable look. Don't call me crazy, but it could sneak up on us come awards season. The best album of the year so far. "Past Gone" is the best song of the year as well. Check out Mike Stud's debut album on iTunes. |
| May 6th 2012, 16:36 |
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Only biggest grossing because the average ticket price is more than double of Titanic, quadruple of Star Wars. It will not come close to being the biggest film of all time. Gone With the Wind as a book has sold over 30 million copies around the world. When it was released in the US initially, hard cover novels cost at most $4; its initial paper back was 75 cents, extremely high for the time. Let's say over the years all copies on average have cost on average $2.50 - that means GWTW "grossed" $75 million. The Lonely Bones came out in 2003 - in the US, the hard cover cost was $22; paperback around $6 dollars. Let's say around the world the average price of all copies sold was $10. It sold 10 million copies, for a total of $100 million, more than Gone With the Wind (which though has sold three times as many copies. Anyone who think The Lonely Bones was a bigger best seller is welcome to think The Avengers could become the "biggest" film of all time. And I have a bridge in Brooklyn at the same time. That's not the way things work. Anyone who thinks it does doesn't know how to count.
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| May 6th 2012, 17:41 |
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^^^Unadjusted for inflation, "The Avengers" could take that spot. But I see what you mean. However, the current record for the highest-grossing film in historyis held by "Avatar" at just over 2.7 billion dollars. You can't compare books to movies. Books are measured by the number of copies sold while movies are measured by the amount of money they make, or profit. "Avatar" has grossed more money than "Gone with the Wind," but only because times have changed. I understand your point, but don't compare books to movies. They are two completely different systems.
The best album of the year so far. "Past Gone" is the best song of the year as well. Check out Mike Stud's debut album on iTunes. |
| May 6th 2012, 18:11 |
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Not true - in much (most) of the world ticket sales have been counted as the unit to determine success. The US (for a lot of complicated reasons) has never done so.
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| May 6th 2012, 20:46 |
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| I wish they would start telling us how many tickets were sold along with the box office numbers. The closest there is out there is Box Office Mojo's estimated ticket adjuster. According to that, Avengers sold 25.58 million tickets this weekend, the opening weekend record. If it wants to be one of the biggest of all-time, it'll have to add another 100 million (and even then it still doesn't come close to GWTW's 202 million). I doubt that happens. | |
| May 6th 2012, 22:44 |
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I think you mean next *year* :) |
| May 7th 2012, 00:08 |
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Yes Paul, really, this is the day to be giving a "big fig" on this issue. I know it's hard for you to get interested in anything than money, but yes, human rights are important today, not just some day in the future, and not just on days when you don't have somebody making an obscene amount of money to "marvel" about. And I hate to say it, but scottferguson is 100% correct about you. |
| May 7th 2012, 00:09 |
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That's all well and good. So, when can we expect out gay characters in a Marvel movie? Next year? Ten years? Never? |
| May 7th 2012, 00:11 |
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Le mot juste. |
| May 7th 2012, 00:13 |
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So I say boycott any film that deliberately excludes gay characters. Hit the studios where it hurts the most--in the pocketbook. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. |
| May 7th 2012, 00:24 |
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I get it, Vamp is Tome6 from the other forums.. Why does it take me so long to figure out who people are? Not so sure boycotting The Avengers is going to send a signal to studio executives.. The problem is much deeper and I wholeheartedly agree with the poster who says it is an international issue. Too many countries still hang homosexuals (in the Middle East they are public hangings) let alone want to portray gay people in any kind of positive light. Just enjoy the film for what it is - an entertaining popcorn flick, with not an ounce of the soul or message of something like Avatar or Lord of the Rings. |
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