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| Jun 19th 2012, 20:55 |
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I do see your point Daniel. I originally had Erika as my first choice, and would LOVE to see her win, but I'm not sold on it happening yet. I think a major reason Erika hasn't gottent he number of nominations that Geary has in the last 20 years has to do with a number of factors: 1: OLTL often being overlooked to begin with 2: Too many people in charge at OLTL--- no clear leader --Since 1992 OLTL has really not had a consitent Head Writer, it really changed frequently. GH on the other hand has really had only two main writers since then Claire Labaine and Bob Guza. This probably affected the frequency in which Slezak was able to get storylines and the quality of those. Geary has on the other hand been front & center basically the entire timespan, as we all know Erika's story ebbed and flowed over the years.. Dena Hiegly almost never wrote for her... OLTL has basically had a new head-writer every two years since 1992... GH has really had more consistent leadership... Granted it often worked against it in terms of story quality, but it's likely easier to get nominations when you have a writer constantly writing material for you. Slezak hasn't had that... 3. OLTL was often isolated as the only NY soap left after the axing of GL and ATWT... I'm sure it often wasn't on the mind of voters. 4. ABC didn't support the show, promote the show or notice the show--- I can't imagine this made it easy for it's cast to get noticed. Compare that to GH which usually got the brunt of ABC's promotional budget and attention. Even Frons himself oftne said GH was his favorite... Even when ratings clearly showed OLTL was more popular, GH was the one heaped with attention and acclaim by Frons. "Hearts are often broken When there are words unspoken In your soul there's answers to your prayers"- Whtiney Houston, Exhale |
| Jun 19th 2012, 22:51 |
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As I've written for many years, it's difficult to handicap a race when you're not sure people are watching the tapes. I've been doing this for a while, and I've always been convinced daytime emmy voters do not watch tapes. In the categories I've judged, the winner tends to be the performer who's been on the most currently on air soap operas. Who would that benefit this year? Crystal Chappell and Debbi Morgan? I would also not count out Chappell for that reason. Also, my mother and sister were very impressed with how she acted out the shakes/withdrawals. I don't think the tape is substantial, but in a weak submission year, Chappell could win. |
| Jun 20th 2012, 06:25 |
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Re Crystal Chappell, would anyone be disappointed if she won? It seems that this year there is a lot of debate about who should win, but compared to recent previous years, there is not as much consensus on who should not (though we seem to agree that she likely will not). Personally, I would forgive a WTF win for Chappell because (a) I like her work in general and especially in this role, (b) this is probably her last year competing as an actress (a sentiment many also hold for Slezak), and (c) I do not have my heart set on a particular nominee winning like I normally do. |
| Jun 20th 2012, 07:44 |
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Thinking of it that way, I wouldn't be disappointed with any of these ladies winning the prize. They all did strong work in 2011, and clearly Slezak, Chappell, and Morgan at least could have chosen different reels that might have made me or others think of them much more as a frontrunner. On the topic of Slezak's lack of nominations, I think it's not too complicated an issue. The Viki character really had her heyday in the 80s. When you look at the last 20 years, Viki's been used largely in a supporting matriarchal capacity, and because of that, there were just a lot of years where she didn't have much material to make her competitive as a lead actress. Sometimes, even when she was great, her best episodes really wouldn't feel strong enough to stand up in this category because they were in stories where she clearly was not the important focus. And I think the major differences between her and Geary are that (1) the female categories are naturally more competitive than the male categories because there tend to be more women with juicier material (not saying the races for the Emmys are easier for the men necessarily, but getting nominated usually is because of fewer people vying for spots) and (2) GH has been playing the Emmy game in a way that OLTL has not been. GH seems to construct entire story arcs around getting Emmys, and it works for them a lot of the time. OLTL has done that a lot less with the show on the whole and a lot less with the individual actors, and it shows in the number of nominations they've received. Didn't Slezak also switch her episode after the nominated round? It's interesting that her previous episode was much more typical soap stuff, angry woman confronting cheating husband/mistress stuff, the kind of material that, in the last two decades, she's had very little chance to play. I remember loving her in that episode when it aired. I kind of think she was better off trying to outdo the competition with the kind of stuff the competition usually does than falling back on the multiple personalities material, which she sometimes does brilliantly and other times completely ruins by being over the top and way too campy. I tend to think people will be less inclined to give her an Emmys for something they think of as same old, same old. Yes, Emmys love the same old performers, but I think they appreciate different kinds of performances from them. RE-HIRE CHRISTIE CLARK! |
| Jun 20th 2012, 09:52 |
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Completely agree. My mother and sister both said they were tried of the split personality schtick from her. MY sister has never watched OLTL on a regular basis, and my mom hasn't watched since the eighties, but that is their perception: she always wins for split personalities. I don't think the split personality thing would matter if Slezak submitted a fantastic tape, but she submitted a tape so nonsensical it could be a comedy if a laugh track was used. Slezak is usually great at picking out her tapes so I wonder why she made this switch. If she had kept her original tape, I wonder if it would have helped or hurt. Her original submission would have covered the same material as Tom's current reel, but Tom also switched her submission. |
| Jun 20th 2012, 18:46 |
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I think sometimes they do and sometimes they don't In my years of judging these races, there have been times where I'm certain the tapes determined the winners. When Y&R submitted Cassie's death and some crappy filler episode along with it, GH delivered two solid episodes from its train wreck storyline; buzz that year should have favored Y&R anyway, so I'm sure the tapes were the deciding factor for GH. I also judged the Supporting Actress reels the year Tamara Braun won for DAYS. I think Bree Williamson had a better submission, but starring on OLTL almost automatically disqualifies you from consideration. After Williamson, Braun was the best and she won fair and square. Then again, I also judged last year's Lead Actress race. No one in that race really held a candle to Colleen Zenk's reel, but even if they were going to go with someone else, Laura Wright just didn't make sense based on the material she submitted. No chance she won for that submission. Also, based on the analyses I've read here about other races, among others, no way should Brittany Allen have won Younger Actress last year, and Scott Clifton should have handily beaten Drew Tyler Bell (OLTL curse again?). And remember the year B&B and OLTL were considered the frontrunners, but they both lost to a tie between GL and Y&R? Sometimes voters just do what they want. I'm anticipating similar WTF moments this year.  |
| Jun 21st 2012, 08:41 |
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I don't think Slezak's lack of nominations has anything to do with the writing of her character or her performances. Lots of actors are nominated in lead for years they didn't have much story. This year, John McCook and Heather Tom weren't actually leads. Slezak herself won her last Emmy for a year where Viki only had a few weeks of story. I think the Academy just feels like certain actors have been awarded enough and it's time to move on. Susan Lucci was only nominated twice after finally winning. After Slezak won her fourth and fifth Emmy's back to back, the Academy took a long break from her. The only times she's been nominated since were the year the category was expanded to eight nominees and the year her show was cancelled. Peter Bergmann and Jeanne Cooper don't get nominated as easily as they used too. Tony Geary really seems to be the exception to the rule. He's the only vet I can think of who's nominated almost every year he submits. |
| Jun 21st 2012, 10:59 |
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^^ Michelle Stafford, though more of a contemporary than a vet, is another example. I think has been nominated every year that she submits (and usually for good reason) with the exception of this year, which may be an indication that she too is no longer has a guaranteed presence on the ballot. |
| Jun 21st 2012, 12:36 |
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Christian Le Blanc seems to be along that wave length too, he's gotten 8 nominations since 1999 and has won three times. He was nominated last year. In fact feel like to some he's as well respected as Anthony Geary or David Canary were in their prime. Like Stafford he's nominated almost every time he submits. "Hearts are often broken When there are words unspoken In your soul there's answers to your prayers"- Whtiney Houston, Exhale |
| Jun 21st 2012, 12:37 |
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I still hold it against her that she won in 1997 against Jackie Zeman and Eva La Rue. "Hearts are often broken When there are words unspoken In your soul there's answers to your prayers"- Whtiney Houston, Exhale |
| Jun 21st 2012, 14:32 |
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I used to always want to believe that the people voting for the nominees/winners really do watch the reels, but reality hit me hard in the face the year I judged Lead Actress and Jeanne Cooper won for a pair episodes that were bad and awful, respectively. No way people could have watched all those submissions and picked hers. The only person I felt she maybe outdid on the nominee list was Michelle Stafford, and that was really only because I found the whole homemaker Phyllis routine (to contrast her performance as hard-scrabble Sheila) ridiculous. Crystal Chappell, Maura West, and Nicole Forester were easily miles ahead of her.
RE-HIRE CHRISTIE CLARK! |
| Jun 22nd 2012, 21:54 |
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Finally took the time to watch the Lead actress reels. Erika Slezak and Crystal Chappell tried their best but had awful reels. Bad writing let both of these ladies down. It was painful to watch talent like theirs wasted. Laura Wright turned in the same type of reel that won her the prize last year. Subtle, understated and full of moments that made you care about her character. It worked once it could work again. Debbie Morgan finally got over her string of subpar submission and turned in a tape full of range and full on drama. This is her best shot to snag a Lead Actress Emmy. She is in danger of going over the top but her reel is so moving it was easy to let that flaw go. I've been a fan of Heather Tom for a long time and this reel made that love grow. She's wonderful here and she takes a well written script and sells it with the skills of a seasoned pro. Rankings 1. Tom 2. Morgan 3. Wright 4. Slezak 5. Chappell Everyone has a chance here except Crystal. I'd love to see Morgan win but here's hoping the best tape nets Tom a deserved trophy. |
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