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Jun 14th 2012, 15:22
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I think Octavia Spencer's standing ovation was precisely because she is not the kind of actor that wins an Oscar, having played roles like bank clerk and woman on the elevator for many years. She has gotten to work and meet a lot of actors that way and is in a way kind of a veteran, just in very small roles instead of leads.
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I know that Spencer must have problems to get a role, but based in the competition she wasn't the best of the year and even the best in her movie, the character overcame the actress in so many ways that I couldn't even describe, Cicely Tyson and Bryce Dallas Howard were way better than her and Berenice Bejo was better than her between the nominees, I prefer Octavia than McCarthy and Chastain (in The Help) and I didn't see McTeer but that category had one of worst lineups of all time, so don't bugs me that the Bank Co-Worker #1 from Drag Me to Hell (2009) has an Oscar and received and standing o.


Your post is quite garbled, but if I understand it correctly, you sound like a stuck-up snob. Do you know that Tom Hanks once worked as a bellhop? Or that Clint Eastwood was a gas station attendant? Jim Carrey had to go to work as a janitor at age 15 when his father died. Tom Cruise worked as a bus boy. Do you think any humble jobs should disqualify them from winning Oscars?


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didn't see McTeer but that category had one of worst lineups of all time.


McTeer was great, but then again you didn't see her performance, so how can you say "one of the worst lineups of all time"?


I'm sorry, it's because english isn't my native language and I think you misunderstood me, the 'bank co-worker #1' is a role that Spencer played in Drag Me to Hell back in 2009, 3 years prior her winning and that's ok do this when you are at the beginning of your carreer, but she did this with 13 years of carreer, so it's strange to me that a person with that amount of acting time made a cameo performance in a film, to win an Oscar 3 years later for a performance that I don't think it was worthy.

and again, I saw 4 of the 5 nominees and 3 of them were okay, even if McTeer is great as Bejo it would mean that only 2 of 5 were great and in every year that I saw there were, at least, more than 2 worthy of win, so it means that was one of the worst lineups of all time.


I hate to break the news to you, but if Octavia Spencer had to take small parts in films ten years into her career, it is really no reflection on her talent, but rather it reflects the scarcity of good roles for non-white actresses. Come on and give the woman a break--at least she has never appeared in any of Tyler Perry's movies!!! Even Viola Davis--arguably the leading black actress today--is mostly cast in supporting roles.

As for your contention that it was "one of the worst lineups of all time," none of the nominated actresses were bad. (I really hated BRIDESMAIDS, but I give Melissa McCarthy credit for her game performance.) Octavia Spencer won because she was funny, charming and delightful, and embodied the strength and resilience of a black woman who won't be beaten down by racism.

Lastly, I think many people tend to rank comedic performances below dramatic performances. What you seem to find lacking is the presumed lack of seriousness in their roles, when in fact the supporting category itself provides a place where those small comedic and neglected gems get a chance to shine.

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I know that Spencer must have problems to get a role, but based in the competition she wasn't the best of the year and even the best in her movie, the character overcame the actress in so many ways that I couldn't even describe, Cicely Tyson and Bryce Dallas Howard were way better than her and Berenice Bejo was better than her between the nominees, I prefer Octavia than McCarthy and Chastain (in The Help) and I didn't see McTeer but that category had one of worst lineups of all time, so don't bugs me that the Bank Co-Worker #1 from Drag Me to Hell (2009) has an Oscar and received and standing o.


Your post is quite garbled, but if I understand it correctly, you sound like a stuck-up snob. Do you know that Tom Hanks once worked as a bellhop? Or that Clint Eastwood was a gas station attendant? Jim Carrey had to go to work as a janitor at age 15 when his father died. Tom Cruise worked as a bus boy. Do you think any humble jobs should disqualify them from winning Oscars?


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didn't see McTeer but that category had one of worst lineups of all time.


McTeer was great, but then again you didn't see her performance, so how can you say "one of the worst lineups of all time"?


I'm sorry, it's because english isn't my native language and I think you misunderstood me, the 'bank co-worker #1' is a role that Spencer played in Drag Me to Hell back in 2009, 3 years prior her winning and that's ok do this when you are at the beginning of your carreer, but she did this with 13 years of carreer, so it's strange to me that a person with that amount of acting time made a cameo performance in a film, to win an Oscar 3 years later for a performance that I don't think it was worthy.

and again, I saw 4 of the 5 nominees and 3 of them were okay, even if McTeer is great as Bejo it would mean that only 2 of 5 were great and in every year that I saw there were, at least, more than 2 worthy of win, so it means that was one of the worst lineups of all time.


I hate to break the news to you, but if Octavia Spencer had to take small parts in films ten years into her career, it is really no reflection on her talent, but rather it reflects the scarcity of good roles for non-white actresses. Come on and give the woman a break--at least she has never appeared in any of Tyler Perry's movies!!! Even Viola Davis--arguably the leading black actress today--is mostly cast in supporting roles.

As for your contention that it was "one of the worst lineups of all time," none of the nominated actresses were bad. (I really hated BRIDESMAIDS, but I give Melissa McCarthy credit for her game performance.) Octavia Spencer won because she was funny, charming and delightful, and embodied the strength and resilience of a black woman who won't be beaten down by racism.

Lastly, I think many people tend to rank comedic performances below dramatic performances. What you seem to find lacking is the presumed lack of seriousness in their roles, when in fact the supporting category itself provides a place where those small comedic and neglected gems get a chance to shine.


I know that she has to take these parts, I just think it's curious lol, and don't affect in her talent (that she has), but for me that performance was not worthy of an Oscar, simple as that.

And again, there were no bad performances but - AGAIN - for me McCarthy, Spencer and Chastain did nothing special to me, as I already said, Dallas Howard and Tyson were more worthy supporting nominees from The Help than Chastain and Spencer, imo.

I have no problem with comedic performance and when done right deserves recognition, just look to Zellweger in NURSE BETTY and BRIDGET JONES or the two deserved nods that Joan Cusack has, but McCarthy wasn't that good to me, Rose Byrne were the best supporting of Bridesmaids, a movie that I liked a lot.
Jun 14th 2012, 16:30
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^Rene Zellweger? Joan Cusack? These are your ideas of greatest comedic performances? And although I agree Cicely Tyson had one good scene in THE HELP, it didn't eclipse Octavia Spencer's performance. And if you liked BRIDESMAIDS a lot, there is nothing we can do to help you. Good taste--you either have it, or you don't.

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^Rene Zellweger? Joan Cusack? These are your ideas of greatest comedic performances? And although I agree Cicely Tyson had one good scene in THE HELP, it didn't eclipse Octavia Spencer's performance. And if you liked BRIDESMAIDS a lot, there is nothing we can do to help you. Good taste--you either have it, or you don't.


In most recent memory? Yes! or don't you think Zellweger in Bridget Jones or Witherspoon in Legally Blond gave great comedic performances? Sure they were better than Melissa McCarthy LOL

and yes, the fact that I liked Bridesmaids made my taste really bad LOL
Jun 14th 2012, 18:12
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^Rene Zellweger? Joan Cusack? These are your ideas of greatest comedic performances? And although I agree Cicely Tyson had one good scene in THE HELP, it didn't eclipse Octavia Spencer's performance. And if you liked BRIDESMAIDS a lot, there is nothing we can do to help you. Good taste--you either have it, or you don't.


In most recent memory? Yes! or don't you think Zellweger in Bridget Jones or Witherspoon in Legally Blond gave great comedic performances? Sure they were better than Melissa McCarthy LOL

and yes, the fact that I liked Bridesmaids made my taste really bad LOL


Jeez, he even adores Reese Witherspoon in LEGALLY BLONDE!

Given one of those 'Sophie's Choice' deals between re-watching LEGALLY BLONDE or giving Mel Gibson a pedicure and a nice clear varnish, I'd probably go with picking at Mel's toenails...

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I know that Spencer must have problems to get a role, but based in the competition she wasn't the best of the year and even the best in her movie, the character overcame the actress in so many ways that I couldn't even describe, Cicely Tyson and Bryce Dallas Howard were way better than her and Berenice Bejo was better than her between the nominees, I prefer Octavia than McCarthy and Chastain (in The Help) and I didn't see McTeer but that category had one of worst lineups of all time, so don't bugs me that the Bank Co-Worker #1 from Drag Me to Hell (2009) has an Oscar and received and standing o.


Your post is quite garbled, but if I understand it correctly, you sound like a stuck-up snob. Do you know that Tom Hanks once worked as a bellhop? Or that Clint Eastwood was a gas station attendant? Jim Carrey had to go to work as a janitor at age 15 when his father died. Tom Cruise worked as a bus boy. Do you think any humble jobs should disqualify them from winning Oscars?


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didn't see McTeer but that category had one of worst lineups of all time.


McTeer was great, but then again you didn't see her performance, so how can you say "one of the worst lineups of all time"?


I'm sorry, it's because english isn't my native language and I think you misunderstood me, the 'bank co-worker #1' is a role that Spencer played in Drag Me to Hell back in 2009, 3 years prior her winning and that's ok do this when you are at the beginning of your carreer, but she did this with 13 years of carreer, so it's strange to me that a person with that amount of acting time made a cameo performance in a film, to win an Oscar 3 years later for a performance that I don't think it was worthy.

and again, I saw 4 of the 5 nominees and 3 of them were okay, even if McTeer is great as Bejo it would mean that only 2 of 5 were great and in every year that I saw there were, at least, more than 2 worthy of win, so it means that was one of the worst lineups of all time.


I hate to break the news to you, but if Octavia Spencer had to take small parts in films ten years into her career, it is really no reflection on her talent, but rather it reflects the scarcity of good roles for non-white actresses. Come on and give the woman a break--at least she has never appeared in any of Tyler Perry's movies!!! Even Viola Davis--arguably the leading black actress today--is mostly cast in supporting roles.

As for your contention that it was "one of the worst lineups of all time," none of the nominated actresses were bad. (I really hated BRIDESMAIDS, but I give Melissa McCarthy credit for her game performance.) Octavia Spencer won because she was funny, charming and delightful, and embodied the strength and resilience of a black woman who won't be beaten down by racism.

Lastly, I think many people tend to rank comedic performances below dramatic performances. What you seem to find lacking is the presumed lack of seriousness in their roles, when in fact the supporting category itself provides a place where those small comedic and neglected gems get a chance to shine.

Weren't you the one who said you thought McCarthy gave a one note or one sided performance or something like that? I did think Bridesmaids was funny the first time I saw it, but when it came to Awards season that film became as overrated as white bread. I mean what was so outstanding about the Screenplay? I could name fifty billion other films that year that had a better script. Also that SAG nomination was god awful. Besides McCarthy, Byrne, and sort of Wiig, that film hardly had a good cast.



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^No doubt I have accused some actor or actress of giving a one-note performance, but I don't think it was Melissa McCarthy. If I said that, then I was mistaken, for hers was at least a two-note performance. But that's one note more than just about anybody else in that film...

As for the elegant blonde in the picture, that is the fabulous Delphine Seyrig, renown for her work with giants of cinema such as Buñuel, Resnais, Losey, Akerman, and Truffaut. The photo itself shows Seyrig in character as a lesbian vampire in DAUGHTERS OF DARKNESS, a rare foray into schlock cinema.

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Ladies, y'all are getting carried away here. I like both Legally Blonde 'and' Sophie's Choice...I enjoyed Octavia Spencer even though Janet McTeer had much harder work to do. With all that said, I feel like the role of Minnie in The Help was going to win whomever played it the Oscar. It's just a very baity role a la Hilary Swank in Million Dollar Baby, among many others. In all honesty, Jessica Chastain made her character extremely more interesting than the way she was written in the book. I enjoyed the character in the book, but Chastain brought that character off the pages and illuminated the screen everytime she was on, giving a completely authentic performance different from the other five films she did in 2011. I don't begrudge Spencer's win but I don't think she did anything special or added anything that wasn't already given in the book. My personal rankings were 1) Chastain, 2) Spencer, 3) McTeer, 4) McCarthy, 5) Bejo. And for what it's worth, I always felt Viola Davis was supporting in this film. Emma Stone was the true lead and Davis should have been in Supporting with her costars. The only lead was Emma Stone's character. That has been beaten to death around here, but it's just fascinating that an actress that won nearly every single award she was up for (Spencer) would have lost 99% of those awards had her costar (Davis) been in the category with her. 
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If Davis had been campaigning for supporting, I think Spencer didn't even had received nominations, since Chastain's nominations for The Help were only because the movie were her bigger vehicle between her stronger work (not even close to her best performance, imo).
Jun 15th 2012, 03:52
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Octavia Spencer has (imo) THE most memorable and hilarious scene in "The Help" with that pie. 
She still would have gotten nominated even if Davis were put in supporting. 
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I have no idea how Spencer was considered supporting and Davis was lead; they both had about the same screentime. It doesn't matter if Viola narrated the ending, she still was supporting and a completely interchangable character. I would have put Davis in supporting, and change Chastain to ToL (I liked her in both films but I thought she was better in Tree of Life.) I would take out Bejo (she was good, but a HUGE category fraud.) and replace her with Vanessa Redgrave or Carey Mulligan (Shame.)

I still think Spencer would have been the frontrunner. As said she was the scene stealer, had the best scenes, and the best storyline. She was the obvious favorite.
Jun 15th 2012, 08:16
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Spencer would beat Davis? No way in this world, when The Help come out was everything about Viola.
Jun 15th 2012, 15:25
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet.  I remember watching the 2009 ceremony when they started bringing past winners (Shirley MacLaine for Lead Actress, Michael Douglas for Lead actor, etc.) to talk about the nominees' performances before announcing the winners.  The supporting actresses, lead actresses, and lead actors all got standing O's except the supporting actors!!

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Jun 15th 2012, 22:38
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How did this thread become hijacked into a rehash of the merits of The Help!!!!