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| Jun 17th 2012, 10:24 |
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Over the years I've heard some grumbling in these forums about these Oscar winners in the supporting actress slot. If you could only pick one, who should be forced to return her Oscar to the front desk of the motion picture academy headquarters in Beverly Hills?  |
| Jun 17th 2012, 10:31 |
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Judi Dench didn't win for her role in Shakespeare in Love and she knows it quite well. I'm sorry Mrs Dench, I love you, but you shouldn't have won in 1998. It was just another scandal from the 1998 Oscars. Shakespeare in Love winning Best Picture over Elizabeth, Life Is Beautiful, Saving Private Ryan and The Thin Red Line; Gwineth Paltrow winning Best Actress over Cate Blanchett for Elizabeth (that is a total and absolute crime) and of course the Judi Dench catastrophe... what else can I say? |
| Jun 17th 2012, 11:06 |
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Kim Basinger. I was very happy for the actress though who seemed genuinely surprised that she was even being taken this seriously. A good actress but shouldn't have sewn up enough votes for the win against her competition. Am not overjoyed by a number of these though. Melissa Leo won for what is arguably her worst performance to date. |
| Jun 17th 2012, 13:06 |
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Basinger should give hers to Julianne Moore Connelly should give hers to Marisa Tomei or Helen Mirren. Dench should give hers to Lynn Redgrave Leo should give hers to Jacki Weaver. Zellweger should give hers to Shohreh Ahgadashloo. I haven't seen Hawn, Sorvino or Tomei so I can't comment on them. Even though Paquin isn't my pick for the win I don't have a problem with her winning really. |
| Jun 17th 2012, 13:18 |
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I am surprised you left Jennifer Hudson off that list. Her win still seems highly debatable to lots of cineastes... That said, of those listed, I agree most of all that Leo should give hers to Jacki Weaver. I don't begrudge Judi Dench her win; she was the best thing in SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE. I do wish though she had tied with Lynn Redgrave. Everything about L.A. CONFIDENTIAL is highly overrated, including Kim Basinger's unconvincing turn as a prostitute. |
| Jun 17th 2012, 13:37 |
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At least four of them gave terrific performances (Basinger, Dench, Paquin, Tomei), and I don't think anyone should give back their Oscar seeing as though it's not their fault people voted for them. The weakest from that list is probably Melissa Leo, and even then she won over a generally weak group outside of Jacki Weaver. |
| Jun 17th 2012, 13:52 |
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I'm a big fan of L.A. Confidential, but Basinger is easily the weakest member of the ensemble. |
| Jun 17th 2012, 14:18 |
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That's why lots of cineastes are boobs |
| Jun 17th 2012, 14:34 |
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| Jun 17th 2012, 15:06 |
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So, you would agree then that, according to Oscar's standards, Jennifer Hudson is a better actor and/or singer than (in no particular order): Deborah Kerr Cary Grant Rosalind Russell Judy Garland Glenn Close Peter O'Toole Thelma Ritter Sigourney Weaver Julianne Moore Laura Linney Leonardo DiCaprio Albert Finney Tom Cruise Annette Bening Richard Burton Joan Allen James Dean Johnny Depp Marilyn Monroe Fred Astaire Greta Garbo Orson Welles Donald Sutherland Alan Rickman Martin Sheen Brad Pitt Woody Harrelson Edward Norton Helena Bonham Carter Liam Neeson Gary Oldman Viola Davis Kirk Douglas Gene Kelly Richard Harris John Malkovich Ralph Fiennes Steve McQueen Montgomery Clift Peter Sellers Barbara Stanwyck Eli Wallach Kenneth Branagh Angela Lansbury Edith Evans Irene Dunne Claude Rains Gloria Swanson Agnes Moorehead Judy Davis Robert Mitchum Steve Buscemi John Hurt Viggo Mortensen Liv Ullman Ian McKellen Lynn Redgrave Paul Giamatti Jude Law Mickey Rooney Harrison Ford Jeremy Renner Etc. (apologies to anyone I left off this list) |
| Jun 17th 2012, 15:19 |
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Well, she's probably a better singer. Again, though, that's not what a voter is thinking about when they pick their choice. No one was looking at that category and thinking, "hmmm, well, I can't vote for Hudson since Kerr never won a competitive Oscar." It's about the category at hand. Do other factors come in to play (career, race, the film they'd win for, etc.)? Absolutely. However, you shouldn't penalize someone because greats haven't won in the past. |
| Jun 17th 2012, 15:28 |
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Connelly, Leo, Paquin and Hawn were good choices, the other 5 women... let's see: Kim Basinger had a terrible carreer prior to L.A. Confidential and, for me, did nothing special in that great movie, she and Driver were the weakest in that category, I think Moore should had won, or they could have given that prize to Miss Gloria Stuart, she did a really great job in Titanic and should've been beautiful if she'd won in that year, the winner should had been Julianne Moore in Boogie Nights. Judi Dench simply won because of her name, movie and the loss a year before, she was good in Shakespeare in Love, but Rachel Griffiths and Lynn Redgrave were miles better, the last scene of Redgrave should've sealed the deal, superb!! and Dench won in a year where Lisa Kudrow (amazing in Opposite of Sex) wasn't even nominated. Winner should had been Lynn Redgrave for Gods and Monters. Mira Sorvino isn't a good actress, imo. Her performance was awesome, but clearly the majority of the greatness belongs to Allen's character and direction, Sorvino couldn't handle a candle against Winslet and Joan Allen, two of the greatest supporting performance of the 90's. Winner should had been Kate Winslet in Sense and Sensibility. Marisa Tomei is an actress that I simply ADORE, but her winning isn't credible, she was really good in Cousin Vinny, but in what world Judy Davis and Miranda Richardson (the Chastain of 92') could be considerable less than incredibly perfect in their roles? No way Tomei should have won for that movie against that great competition, in the year of The Wrestler I could had supported her win. Winner should had been Judy Davis in Husbands and Wives. Renée Zellweger... hahaha Here I come, I like Renée from Jerry Maguire to Chicago, beyond this she isn't just not good anymore. Her performance in Cold Mountain is one of the few that I consider BAD and that won an Oscar at the same time (the same group I put George Chakiris in West Side Story and Roberto Begnini in Life is Beautiful). Even if I think Hunter wasn't a great nominee and the Gay Harden should have been replaced with Linney from the same movie, Aghdashloo and Clarkson were incredible, Zellweger in Cold Mountain is over and incredibly fake as a farmer, too much exagerated and too many faces for a great character. Winner should had been Shohreh Agdashloo in House of Sand and Fog. Another victories that I don't agree are Lange in Tootsie over Close in Garp, Davis in Accidental Tourist over Weaver in Working Girl and Binoche in English Patient over Bacall and Joan Allen. |
| Jun 17th 2012, 15:50 |
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I have to say Jennifer Connelly seems like the one most in need of returning her Oscar. Her work since is just laughable and frankly I don't see anything about her performance that was special. Nothing. The others I at least think have had respectable careers to a degree.
Finola Hughes was robbed this year!
Daytime Emmy 2014! |
| Jun 17th 2012, 15:57 |
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by a mile: Jennifer Connelly I love Marisa Tomei in my cousin Vinny and Anna Paquin in The piano |
| Jun 17th 2012, 16:03 |
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I wouldnt require any of these actors to return their Oscars. I enjoyed and appreciated all of their perfs, and a few were spectacular, such as Anna Paquin. If someone put a gun to my head, I'd go with Zellweger and her Granny Clampett perf. But then, I adored Granny. The Sunne in Splendour; I prefer my Roses White |
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