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| Jun 21st 2012, 11:21 |
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I think you hit the nail on the head with "star" versus "actor." The DAYS cast is full of heavy-hitting "stars" who will elicit squeals and hoots and hollars from the fans in the cheap seats. But revered actors on other shows like Slezak, Geary, Bergman, Flannery, and the like are probably more likely to get standing ovations from their peers in the front row. I think GH is unique in its ability to unite those two groups. Its respected actorly actors also seem to get the loudest squeals at awards time.  |
| Jun 21st 2012, 12:31 |
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I think you are right about GH, they do a good job of uniting the two groups. With OLTL is was always so obvious when a "actor" was forced to work with a "star", for example the work of Melissa Archer tended to drag down any scene that Slezak was in, or at least made it harder for Slezak to do her best work.
Finola Hughes was robbed this year!
Daytime Emmy 2014! |
| Jun 22nd 2012, 08:22 |
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Well, I was meaning stars versus actors more in terms of fan and industry perception than talent and ability. I'm not disparaging the acting of Reckell, Alfonso, Sweeney, Hall, Lucci, etc., so much as saying that a lot of their peers on other shows think of them as populist fare, and so don't give them the same regard as the more actorly actors that we mentioned. (I think Reckell is potentially the most underrated actor in daytime.) But yes, it can be puzzling and kind of infuriating who the fans will really take to sometimes. DAYS fans seem to love Nadia Bjorlin, for example, and she sank entire storylines. CONGRATULATIONS DAYS OF OUR LIVES! Returning from the "dead" in Best Drama Series after 38 years in the grave and going strong for Emmy 2014! |
| Jun 22nd 2012, 12:10 |
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Definitely on the same page. I understand the distinction you were making was about perception and not talent.
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| Jun 22nd 2012, 12:38 |
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I'll chime in. First off Daniel, good article! I like how it opened up a whole other conversation. I do think OLTL's troubles, recently it squarely lies on submissions, goes to what Boidiva02 mention. This show was like Viki Lord w/its identity and I like how he argued that could've played a role in their Emmy troubles. I also like the conversation about star vs. actor. I also liked your follow up article on how they have a chance next yr. I am assuming voting changes would have to happen since tthere will be 5 soaps eligible (have them compete Hunger Games style, lol). But I do hope they are smart, for once, w/submitting. I wouldn't touch the finale w/a ten inch pole, but I could see them doing a AMC and doing that. Thankfully that sceneario will give them the opportunity to submit, what I consider the REAL finale, the beautiful episode before that. |
| Jun 22nd 2012, 17:57 |
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To me if OLTL wants to win next year they HAVE to submit the second to last episode with Viki's speech about Fraternity Row. That to me would be a winning tape that everybody could vote for.
Finola Hughes was robbed this year!
Daytime Emmy 2014! |
| Jun 22nd 2012, 18:00 |
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I see your meaning now, but in either case I'd say you're right. and yes, Borjlin while pretty and probably very nice destroyed so many storylines. I put her into the same category as Cameron Mathison or Alicia Minshew at "AMC", nice to look at, inexplicably popular and sadly killed every story they got near. And I mean kill as in ruin or destroy, not kill as in hit it home.
Finola Hughes was robbed this year!
Daytime Emmy 2014! |
| Jun 22nd 2012, 19:55 |
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Was B&B a spinoff of Y&R when it debuted? I just never read that before or don't remember. The Forresters were not on Y&R. OLTL did very well in actress and winning actress. There was no hesitency to give OLTL an Emmy ever in its history. It wasn't just one actress it was several! Just like Lucci always botched her submissions because of what she felt the voters would give the Emmys to maybe OLTL did the same in drama. Or different creative teams all time botched all drama submissions as a way not to give their predecessors any awards! That was discussed previously in the thread. I forgot about best actor in a drama as well. OLTL won there. Maybe there was some bias against the show because it's hard to believe that Judith Light could win an emmy so easily but that her showcase could not nominated or win drama unless there was critciism of the story and it was always acting over story. In recent years OLTL has been infamous for botching drama submissoins. Maybe that has just always been the case. There was just a long period where GH was just nowhere near winning best drama - same with AMC. You had the Santa Barbara years. So ABC had no reason not to support OLTL. Could be all Agnes Nixon's fault because she pushed AMC over OLTL? |
| Jun 22nd 2012, 20:52 |
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No, not a spin-off, that I'm aware of. However, they are considered "sister" shows in that they are generally considered to take place in the same fictional universe, the characters have interacted (Sheila, Deacon, etc) and they are both created by the Bell family and produced by the Bell family. Just like AMC was not a OLTL spin-off they share common history and have roots in the same creators.
Finola Hughes was robbed this year!
Daytime Emmy 2014! |
| Jun 22nd 2012, 21:51 |
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I was under the impression that B&B was started as a Y&R spinoff, but I guess that was just because by the time I really got into either show, they were definitely connected. What was their first crossover interaction? I know Tracey Bregman taking Lauren to B&B was fairly early, but I'd think there was something/someone before that. Also, I have to say that unlike when the ABC shows do it, it feels very weird to me when an actor leaves Y&R or B&B and then very soon after turns up on the other show as a different character, a la Don Diamont. To me, that felt more like Kelly Monaco showing up on GH as Sam McCall than Michael Easton ending up on OLTL as John McBain post-Port Charles.
CONGRATULATIONS DAYS OF OUR LIVES! Returning from the "dead" in Best Drama Series after 38 years in the grave and going strong for Emmy 2014! |
| Jun 22nd 2012, 21:54 |
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Interesting point about OLTL re: winning some categories and botching submissions. But weren't nominations determined without the benefit of submissions until, like, 10 years ago? I thought that was a pretty recent thing.
CONGRATULATIONS DAYS OF OUR LIVES! Returning from the "dead" in Best Drama Series after 38 years in the grave and going strong for Emmy 2014! |
| Jun 23rd 2012, 10:00 |
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B&B did become a sister show to Y&R. Not aware of the very first crossover. Same universe. Nominees may have been popular vote and only winners were decided by panels. But I wonder what the campaigning was like in the early 80's. The would have seemed to be a good time for OLTL to get a nomination. There were only 3! There were 10+ shows and only 3 nominees. ABC slot was taken by All My Children if there was an ABC slot. You would see AMC, Another world NBC and Guiding Light CBS. General Hospital was able to break in but not OLTL though OLTL was dominant in Actress. From Light to Strasser to Slezak. |
| Jun 23rd 2012, 11:02 |
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Nominees were determined by popular vote until either 2002 or 2003. I think Gary Tomlin's criticisms, and accusations of bloc voting in general, led to that change; I remember there were two or three years in the early 2000s when almost every supporting nominee was from ATWT and AMC. Only since then can OLTL blame poor submissions for not even getting nominated. Before that, I'm not sure how good or bad the nominees were at picking their reels to decide the winner. But even picking bad submissions isn't always a deal-breaker for other shows. Didn't Y&R get nominated one year for its "Who killed Carmen Mesta?" episode that basically nobody liked, or am I remembering that wrong? |
| Jun 25th 2012, 09:09 |
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I thought it was the Who Killed Carmen Mesta episode that helped get Y&R the tie with GL for drama series in 2007, but I might have just mentally cobbled that together.
CONGRATULATIONS DAYS OF OUR LIVES! Returning from the "dead" in Best Drama Series after 38 years in the grave and going strong for Emmy 2014! |
| Jun 25th 2012, 09:31 |
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If that's the case, it's even worse. "OLTL" has made submission mistakes in the past, but it seems to be the only show that's always doomed by them. Even DAYS was considered to have a lackluster writing submission this year and it still ended up winning. |
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