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| Jul 10th 2012, 10:01 |
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Yes, julia louis dreyfus will probably catch up to white in the future. And yes julia does have more nominations then Betty did at that age, but then again White was born in 1922 and she was in her 30's when she started doing real TV........cause it wasn't invented yet. |
| Jul 10th 2012, 14:46 |
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Good question, Morgan. I think a lot of us feel that Amy Poehler really deserved to win last year, and if she submits her best, she'll deserve to win this year. If the voters ignore her two years in a row, it feels like a bad sign, like if they didn't see fit to reward her for that, they never will. Also, the future of Parks and Recreation feels really uncertain. It was considered by many people to be the best comedy on television during its third season, but the show only got three nominations and has continued to be in the ratings toilet. The consensus has been that this past season hasn't been as good, and maybe there's just an inherent fear that the overall quality of the show will be mostly in a decline from here. Also, it feels like any season of Parks and Rec could be its last. I'm just kind of spitballing. The examples you brought up are good, but I think it's worth noting that the awards were being distributed differently then than they are now. Candice Bergen had won for five of the seven years before Helen Hunt's win. Helen Hunt and Patricia Heaton then combined to win the next six years before Jennifer Aniston, Debra Messing, and Sarah Jessica Parker got their wins for later seasons of their shows. But now we're in an era where someone new has won the award every year for the last 10 years. Felicity Huffman (2005), Julia Louis-Dreyfus (2006), America Ferrara (2007), Toni Collette (2009), Edie Falco (2010), and Melissa McCarthy (2011) all won on their first nominations for their first year of eligibility on their respective shows. The lone exception in the last seven years was Tina Fey in 2008 on her second nomination for the second season of 30 Rock, and who knows if voters might have given that award to Christina Applegate for Samantha Who? had it not been for the writers strike raising Fey's profile as much as it did. (Not that I'm complaining, just noting that this would have fit the pattern.) So the longer Poehler's losing streak continues, and the more nominations she racks up for this show, the less likely she seems to actually win. RE-HIRE CHRISTIE CLARK! |
| Jul 10th 2012, 15:09 |
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i don't care hoe many nominations parks and rec have received so far and the bad rating really don't bother me........ It still is one of the best shows on tv. |
| Jul 10th 2012, 15:10 |
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There are countless examples of people winning for their first seasons, winning for their non-first seasons, winning for their last season, never winning, etc. It's an argument that doesn't need to be brought up again. Amy has a lot of "overdue" momentum going into this race. Many are predicting her to be a multiple-nominee this year. The show has already broken ground at the Emmys (we don't know how they'll react to Veep). It seems to be well-known that the pageant skit was her idea (who knows if she'll try to top herself this year?). Julia already has two. In general it looks like Amy has more going for her. But Julia winning for Veep wouldn't be undeserved. In fact, if Julia doesn't win for Veep this year (like I am expecting), she will almost certainly be heading off the Emmys 2013 race with the most buzz in the category. Especially since Veep will be having a longer season.
2013 Emmys FYC
Amy Poehler, Jane Krakowski, Matthew Perry, Martha Plimpton, Louis CK, Nick Offerman, Adam Scott, Garret Dillahunt |
| Jul 10th 2012, 15:38 |
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I would have loved it if Amy Poehler would have won in 2011 and 2012 and julia winning in 2013 |
| Jul 10th 2012, 16:07 |
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Clearly other factors often come into play with these awards, but I'd like the best performance to win in the category as opposed to someone being overdue and/or having one last chance to win. Also, even if Julia already had 10 Emmys, that shouldn't be held against her if she's come onto the Emmy scene again in another wonderful role. Totally backing Julia for the win. |
| Jul 10th 2012, 19:53 |
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I absolute agree that this category really comes down to the episode submission. I've read the consensus on the top contenders for Poehler, and have to believe that she'll pick one of them if they're so universally loved, but not all of the eight episodes of Veep are slam-dunks for Louis-Dreyfus. Actually, at the close of the season, I was hard pressed to decide which episode she should submit, not because there were so many to choose from, but I couldn't decide which showcased her best. I also don't think buzz is favoring either actress at the moment, as both are know as the two front-runner, guaranteed nominees. On the side-note of Julia's roles, I agree that Christine is her weakest, which is certainly not an insult. There were some moments that the series was firing on all cylinders, i.e. their third season, and some episodes in which Julia couldn't have been better. Many Gold Derby forum posters commented that her performance in the season three finale "One and a Half Men" was amongst the most memorable female pm,k,erformances of the decade. And despite there being much disappointment when Julia won her Emmy for Old Christine, beating out Kudrow, Kaczmarek, Messing, etc. it really was her only opportunity to win an Emmy for that performance, as the other years would have far too much competition to overcome, and she no doubt deserved one Emmy for the series. Elaine is too iconic, and great, to not be listed above Christine, but Seinfeld was too much of an ensemble series to truly let Julia shine the way Selina does, so that's why I give her new role the edge. |
| Jul 10th 2012, 19:57 |
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I remember watching "One and a Half Men" when it aired and thinking that she HAD to win an Emmy for it, but unfortunately, that TV seaon began the short-but-painful reign of the Showtime ladies on this category. If there is one truly amazing thing that has come out of this Poehler vs. Dreyfus race, it's that it has put an end to the Showtime dramas winning this category. We should all put aside our preferences in this race and take a moment to thank the two funniest women on TV right now for ending such a horrible streak.
2013 Emmys FYC
Amy Poehler, Jane Krakowski, Matthew Perry, Martha Plimpton, Louis CK, Nick Offerman, Adam Scott, Garret Dillahunt |
| Jul 10th 2012, 20:05 |
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Very true Trent! It's delightful that two purely comedic performances delivered by two true deserving ladies are the frontrunners this year. -- That being said, I wouldn't bemoan Mary-Louise Parker winning this year or next, although it's no worry since she won't be nominated ever again for Weeds. |
| Jul 10th 2012, 23:27 |
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^^ Trent! I don't quite understand why everyone on these boards bemoans over the "Showtime dramedy streak" in this category. Let's put things in perspective from 2009 onwards, shall we? Globes 09: Tina Fey SAGs 09: Tina Fey Emmys 09: Toni Collette (SHOWTIME) Globes 10: Toni Collette (SHOWTIME) SAGs 10: Tina Fey Emmys 10: Edie Falco (SHOWTIME) Globes 11: Laura Linney (SHOWTIME) SAGs 11: Betty White Emmys 11: Melissa McCarthy Globes 12: Laura Dern SAGs 12: Betty White Emmys 12: very unlikely to be a SHOWTIME performance Since the Showtime dramadies came to prominence, only four major awards (out of 12) have gone to a Showtime performance. What's the big deal? I would hardly call it a streak, and I would say that each Collette, Linney and Falco deserved their respective awards. |
| Jul 10th 2012, 23:37 |
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Ironically, Laura Dern fits the mold of the roles that Toni Collette and Edie Falco won for. Her win wouldn't be undeserved but it certainly doesn't compare to JLD or Poehler, especially in terms of comedy. And actually, in terms of an overall piece. Dern carries the weight of "Enlightened" and brings it to life. Good thing because without her, it would have already been put to rest. It's a credit to Dern that a series with a 0.0 in the 18-49 demographic was renewed. Whereas, JLD and Poehler are on ensemble-driven series yet they still illuminate the screen when they're on. Honestly, if Poehler had won last year, no one would be talking of her this year. Instead, it would be "Well, Poehler is out because no one has repeated since Patricia Heaton." ... "Well, let's be honest. 'Veep' was much better than 'P&R' this season." ... "Laura Dern has the Globe plus is a three-time Emmy loser." ... "Martha Plimpton was robbed last year, so they'll make up for it." ... "This category seems to reward people for their first seasons, so if Dern is out then it's gonna be Deschanel giving JLD a run for her money." ... Etc etc etc. I'll be fine with Poehler winning, but JLD in season 1 of 'Veep' is more deserving than Poehler in season 4 of 'P&R.' Period. |
| Jul 11th 2012, 00:00 |
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As long as both Amy Poehler and Julia Louis-Dreyfus eventually do win for Parks and Recreation and Veep respectively, I will be happy. Whether Amy wins in 2012 and Julia in 2013 (or vice versa), that is fine with me. But at the end of the day, the Emmys should not be about "making it up to people." Sure, the Academy gives out awards to undeserving performances on occasions, but that doesn't mean that other fantastic performances in subsequent years miss out because of it. While I agree Melissa McCarthy should not have won over the likes of the aforementioned Amy, Tina Fey and Laura Linney etc, Julia SHOULD NOT miss out this year IF SHE HAS THE BEST TAPE just because of Melissa's win in 2011. I hope this makes sense? At the end of the day - if Julia has best tape give it to her, and the same for Amy. Not based solely on who is overdue, or who was really funny in other works (eg Melissa in Bridesmaids). |
| Jul 11th 2012, 01:52 |
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"One and a Half Men" was her submission in 2008. It didn't lose to a Showtime lady. It lost to a funny lady, Tina Fey. And why are you talking about a streak? Two actresses from Showtime won, Toni Collette in 2009 and Edie Falco in 2010. Even if you consider two to be a streak, Poehler and Louis-Dreyfus aren't ending it. Melissa McCarthy already ended it last year. |
| Jul 11th 2012, 07:39 |
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I'm glad so many of us are comfortable with the idea of Poehler or JLD winning, but it's really going to chap our asses if someone else like Deschanel wins or if McCarthy shocks people with a repeat win.
RE-HIRE CHRISTIE CLARK! |
| Jul 11th 2012, 07:46 |
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I discussed this with Betty White a few years ago and she confirmed that it was a local Emmy ....  |
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