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This year's ceremony is in a couple weeks, and as usual, the recipients will get about 1% as much attention as they would if this were still part of the ceremony. The BoG seems not to care.
Since Doris Day is high on the list of people mentioned here to win, it's worth noting that the LAFC has just announced she will receive their career achievement award at the January ceremony. Since she has totally avoided any contact with the industry for years, it will be interesting to see if she appears in person to accept it. I don't know if they inquired before deciding this (in the past always or nearly always the winner has come).
I saw that - this will get virtually no attention outside of a small group of people in LA. And unfortunately, they will think they are doing something special. Gone are the days when an honorary Oscar educates millions of people about legendary figures, newspapers and TV shows did interviews with them. And they'll never return.
It's pretty slow around here so I bumped this, not that there was much here to bump. Everything was back at the old site, so here's someone's chance to argue anew that they think Angela Lansbury deserves an honorary Oscar.
I wrote in the past that my hope was to see Max von Sydow finally get his well-deserved honorary award, but now that he's been so recently nominated, I'm afraid it might seem like an awkward consolation prize, which is too bad because it wouldn't be one at all. It just might seem that way to some. "Oh, Max, we forgot you were alive. I guess we were wrong."
I renew my support for Maureen O'Hara, Leslie Caron and Gena Rowlands.
I'll toss in the names Carlos Saura and Ettore Scola for some international flavor.
Craft branches I don't have a clue about. I don't see Owen Roizman's name on the BoG anymore so he'd be eligible, I guess. I'm not a big fan of Lalo Schifrin's music but the Music Branch liked him enough to nominate him in the past.
Thalberg - who knows. I was never a big believer that the Harry Potter producer would get it. If he personally had a bigger brand name like Spielberg, Lucas or Broccoli maybe.
Hersholt - After chosing a tv talk show host (who not coincidentally promoted alot of movies on her show) to win one of the film world's most prestigious humanitarian awards, this one is anyone's guess now. Not to take away from Ms Winfrey's largesse, but it should take more than giving large amounts of money to charity or being on the boards of foundations to receive this honor. There was a time when the recipients of this award "got their hands dirty." Martha Raye got out there and entertained the troops in all kinds of weather, with or without camera crews following her. Mia Farrow, Angelina Jolie or Sean Penn would fit that bill now but Jolie and Penn are probably too young.
One of the things I hate about there being no archives for The Envelope is that all the terrific suggestions and thoughts there are now all lost.
After suggesting Roger Corman and Eli Wallach and hoping (but not expecting) Jean-Luc Godard, last year was a real let-down.
Douglas Trumbull, high on my list, separately won the Gordon Sawyer award this year (an Oscar), so he's gone.
I have had Max von Sydow as a real contender. I'm not sure that at his advanced age (though he seems healthy) that his recent nomination precludes him from early consideration, and might not even elevate him above where he had been. He'd be very worthy.
Apart from the Potter producer, the list of potential Thalberg winners is long - Robert Evans (divisive but strong support and credentials), Kathleen Kennedy (I believe she's finally off the BoG, which is a precluding factor), Scott Rudin all possible among others.
George Lucas has never won an Oscar. Never. If Coppola can get a Thalberg to go with his previous Oscars, Lucas certainly should finally get a statuette.
Herscholt is all over the place. Some of the stars doing really good work (Jolie, Penn) are previous Oscar winners, which likely comes into play, even if they have more to do with the movies and do equally worthy work as Winfrey. I do suspect that Tom Sherak wants to win this himself someday (he is a major player in the world of Multiple Sclerosis charities), but it's way too early and he likely has made some enemies while President of the Academy.
Among legendary international directors, Alain Resnais stands head and shoulders above others still alive. He was a nominee in his heyday, and is of the age where much of the BoG considers themselves to have been influenced.
Ridley Scott and Peter Weir are two other middle-brow acclaimed directors who probably are out there, in Scott's case Thalberg being a possibility (ironically he has no Oscars because he wasn't a producer for Gladiator).
Among actors, so many, although I am in the Angela Lansbury has had a great career, but not to the same level in movies camp. Doris Day and Maureen O'Hara would be fine. Frankly, if they'd give it to Glenn Close I wouldn't protest, since her best chance in the future would be a lesser supporting actress make-up award. Giving it to James Earl Jones, also a terrific talent, seemed dubious except for adding his voice work. Does that open the door for Andy Serkis at some point? But above all, I still hope for Jeanne Moreau, a great actress, an icon and a legend.
It’s simply disgusting that out of over 100 Honorary Oscar recipients only 9 were women. The recent increase of annual honorees didn’t help to change that injustice. Since 2009 out of 8 Honorary Oscars given out only one went to a woman (Lauren Bacall, 2009). I’m amazed how the lack of female recipients is not an issue with the Academy or press and they do nothing to improve statistic.
I’m pretty sure that is year shortlist will also be all-male and therefore he’s my prediction: 1. Actor – Max von Sydow (if anything his recent Oscar nomination only helped his case and the fact that he just worked with Tom Hanks shouldn’t hurt him either) or Sir Christopher Lee 2. Sir Ridley Scott – either an Honorary one of Irving G. Thalberg Memorial Award (George Lucas is ineligible to receive an Honorary Oscar since he was presented with a Thalberg in 1992) 3. Jean Hersholt Humanitarian Award - Sean Penn
My personal choices: 1. Angela Lansbury – she one of the greatest actresses of her time and one of the last remaining alone active links of the Golden Age of Hollywood. 50 films, 3 Oscar nominations a 70 years old career, will be 87 years old in October – I can’t think of a more deserving candidate. As for her not being a movie star or not having a significant film career, this should even been an argument against her candidacy after they awarded Eli Wallach and her current The Best Man co-star James Earl Jones. 2. Jeanne Moreau – a true icon of world’s cinema and one of the most important actresses in film history. 3. Debbie Reynolds – not only for her film career, but also for her effort to preserve Hollywood’s legacy.
As for Glenn Close, I think she’s too young and I’m afraid that would kill her chances of ever winning a competitive award. I’m fine with Doris Day getting one, but if she doesn’t want it, what’s the point of awarding her against her will?
Tony Award winner Angela Lansbury and 2-time Tony Award winner James Earl Jones
celebrating opening night of Gore Vidal’s The Best Man on April 1, 2012
<< I’m amazed how the lack of female recipients is not an issue with the Academy or press and they do nothing to improve statistic.>>
I'm not - it reflects two things:
1) Apart from actors, who are a small part of the overall pool of people eligible for honorary Oscars, the reality, unfair as it is, is that for most of film history male directors, producers, writers, craft technicians are overwhelmingly male.
2) Among actors, actresses becauses of the reality that there are fewer prime/award-type roles around each year, have a much better chance of winning during their careers than male actors do. If I were to list the 100 best Hollywood-associated actors who never received a competitive Oscar during their careers, my guess is 3/4s or more would be male. In many cases, this is because age bias did allow them to have longer careers.
Honorary Oscars shouldn't be given on a quota system. The % of male to female winners pretty much is just an honest reflection of the relative % of deserving ones by gender.
Fair point about director, writers and craft people, but I’m afraid no one will ever proof to me that already a two-time Oscar winner Gary Cooper, already an Oscar winner Alex Guinness, already an Oscar winner and a previous Honorary Oscar recipient Laurence Olivier, already an Oscar winner James Stewart deserved or needed their Honorary Oscars more than a 5-time Oscar nominee Irene Dunne (died at age 91), Oscar nominee Marlene Dietrich (died at age 90), 3-time Oscar nominee Dede Allen, 4-time Oscar nominee Rosalind Russell, Oscar nominee Ava Gardner, Rita Hayworth, 3-time Oscar nominee Gloria Swanson just to name a few. And then there is of course Bob Hope who has received 4 Honorary Oscars during his lifetime.
Some fair points, but here are some caveats I'd throw in:
-- they no longer give honorary Oscars to actors who already won competitively (except potentially Hersholt)
-- Sophia Loren was an actress who got one of those, so it wasn't just men
-- Rosalind Russell won an Oscar (Jean Hersholt, which is an Oscar statuette, and that was meant to honor her entire career from all indications)
-- Dede Allen was an oversight, but one with a reason - she was a member of the Board of Governors during the time she otherwise would have gotten one, rendering her ineligible
-- Many male actors as good or better than Dunne, Dietrich, Swanson also never won, to name a few, Robert Mitchum, Richard Widmark, Glenn Ford, so it's not only actresses who haven't gotten their due (it's one reason they now have expanded the number given annually so this won't happen so much in the future
Not only that but Loren was 58 years old at that time. What on earth were they thinking by awarding her so soon? I know that Russell got a Hersholt award and thank God for that, but it's not an award that honors person's contributions to the world of film.