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    Information about the Daytime Emmy awards honoring the work aired in 2020 is finally beginning to trickle out as the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences has released a couple of documents pertaining to next year’s awards. The Daytime Emmy website now has a 2021 banner with links to important dates, a category listing, and a listing of what’s new from last year (though that link goes to the important dates listing, the document seems unavailable at the moment).

    What I can see so far is that there will once again be a combined younger performer category rather than separate make and female categories. The documents lists four tracks of programs: Drama, Fiction, Non-fiction, and Children. Those are apparently more clearly defined in the [currently unavailable] What’s New document, but it appears that the Fiction includes scripted programming that isn’t a traditional daytime drama. The term “Daytime Fiction Program” seems to have replaced “Digital Drama Series” in most awards categories, and there are Fiction categories for Outstanding Limited Drama Series, Short Form Daytime Fiction Programming, and Young Adult Series.

    In terms of schedule, the plan is for blue ribbon panel judging to occur from late April to mid May, nominations to be announced in June, and virtual ceremonies to be held in June/July. Looking forward to learning more about next year’s awards as more information is released!

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    I just received the link to the What’s New in Daytime document for this year’s Daytime Emmy awards, and it has some interesting adjustments in it, including explanations for the new category “tracks” that have been created to streamline the category genres and adjustments to category eligibility and judging rules. The full document is here, but here are some of the juicier nuggets:

    – There will be NO PRE-NOMINATION ROUND for performers in any of the Drama or Daytime Diction (which includes the genre formerly referred to as Digital Dramas) categories. Everyone just submits their one reel and judging proceeds accordingly. It’ll be interesting to see how this affects nominations.

    – Not only is the non-gendered Younger Performer in a Drama Series category sticking around, but the age restrictions will be changing. Next year, the age limit in the category will be lowered to 21 rather than 25, and for 2023, it will be further lowered to 18. In addition, there is now a Younger Performer in a Daytime Fiction Program category with an age limit of 18 years old.

    – All craft categories for Drama and Daytime Fiction Programs will be combined this year, with the Drama Series retaining their own categories for acting, writing and directing.

    – The episode limit for eligibility as a Limited Drama Series (formerly Digital Drama)is now 22 rather than 35.

    There are a host of other changes, major and minor, included in the document, many of them related to categories outside of the drama. I still have yet to see this year’s rule book, but the call for entries is scheduled to go out on Wednesday, so I’m hopeful it will be available soon.

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    That’s unfortunate. I doubt voters will have time to watch that many reels. We’ll probably just have a ton of name-check repeat noms like in the 80’s & 90’s when actors like Lucci, Slezak, Canary & Geary got nominated every time they submitted even if other less famous actors were more deserving.

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    I’m not exactly sure what the procedure is without prenoms, to be honest. Some categories have a preliminary round, though I’ve paid little attention to that because it wasn’t applicable to the acting categories and wasn’t needed for any of the other drama categories. I believe a certain number of entrants can trigger the preliminary round where entries are broken down into subsets and narrowed down to a smaller pool in advance of the blue ribbon panel. I don’t know specifically how this works, though, or whether it applies to the acting categories. Maybe the administration isn’t expecting all that many entries, which is easy to imagine for the lead and younger performer categories, less so for supporting and guest performers. Maybe they just wanted to simplify the process by eliminating the need to make a second submission, or maybe they think that given the pandemic judges will find more time to watch the reels.

    Now that I think about it, if an actor signs up to be a judge in a heavy category, let’s say supporting actress, and has to watch like 30 reels that are 10 minutes each (over the course of like a month), that’s a five hour commitment, but they were already committed a third of that even with prenoms narrowing the list to 10 plus in theory watching the four-minute prenom clips from every actor in every category in which they chose to vote, which could be all of them. This may actually be less time.

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    Disappointed there won’t be any pre-noms this year. I guess this was designed to make nominations day more suspenseful (not knowing who the ten finalists in each category are ahead of the announcement), in which case I’d understand if the decision had been made to simply not publicly release the list of pre-noms, but why then do away with the pre-nom round altogether? It would be interesting to know at least the mechanics behind this decision. Was it indeed too large a time investment for voters to have two phases of judging? Was there too much overlap in reel submissions between the two rounds? One thing is clear, there will be added pressure now on entrants making the most out of their submissions, because they only get one shot to make a lasting impression.

    Surprised also by the changes in age restriction made to the Younger Performer category for the coming years. 21 sounds reasonable, but 18 seems a bit young as an age limit? That would considerably (and perhaps unfairly) narrow down the pool of eligible candidates.

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    I agree, alokin, I’d like to know the mechanics behind the decision. I doubt there was concern about overlap between the two submissions, since the administration could easily mandate that prenom submissions and nomination submissions either overlap or not, depending on how they want it. And the way things shook out last year proves that they can hide the prenoms and maintain a heightened suspense until nominees are announced. I wonder if it was suggested by the shows in response to all the exploratory work that was being done.

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    I no longer find the Emmys to be any fun. The blue ribbon panels don’t really watch soaps so it becomes about who can figure out the best possible reel rather than honoring the full year’s work. I am also really bothered by the lackadaisal approach to category placements with too many people getting nominated – and even winning – for lead when they are truly supporting. I wish the nominations would be done by a smaller committee that actually watches the four remaining soaps in the daytime drama categories rather than with short reels, if they are still even doing it that way. It all seems to be about convenience rather than a thoughtful approach that truly honors the best in daytime, at least in the soap categories.

    I really dislike the hiding of the pre-nominees. It was fun to see those lists, and also we used to learn what the performers submitted (and the shows too, for Series). It is always fun when my favorites win and not so much fun when they don’t but these things are totally subjective. Still, I enjoy from time to time watching the old Emmy awards, esp. the ones when each show was at a different table rather than in an auditorium (they did have the separate tables a few years ago with one of the online Emmy broadcasts).

    Usually about half the nominees I really like and half I am amazed to see their names on the ballot. Again, it’s totally subjective but it used to be much much more fun that it is now!

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    I love the idea of each actor or actress picking a reel and submitting it for voting and whomever wins wins. The Primetime Emmys nor the Daytime Emmy Awards will ever base a win off the whole year. I don’t like the idea of stripping the prenominations though.

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    I do miss having the prenoms, but it’s interesting to think about how the format and purpose of them changed over time, and looking at it that way, it’s a little more understandable to see the awards trying the process without them. I remember when they first started (in maybe 2001 or so), and the purpose seemed to be to keep any one show from dominating nominations in a category, so each show could put up two candidates per category, which, depending on the show, they either got to by actually polling the cast or having the powers that be decide who to put forward. But that original intention eventually went out the window once there were considerably fewer shows and the process changed so that the entire voting body was deciding on all the potential candidates and any show could have as many prenoms as they could garner. So I wonder if the administration felt like they’d clung to something they didn’t need anymore and kind of falsely given it a different purpose that was no longer necessary. Again, I’d be curious to know.

    I agree with Freeman that I wish there was a judging coalition that actually watched soaps all year and were at least considering the body of work when presenting these awards, though I don’t think they can work without a submission of some sample of the work to go along with that. But that seems like a pipe dream, and I’m mostly fine with the reel system. My biggest issue is that there’s no second round of voting. Ideally, in my mind, nominees would be picked based on their reels and then would submit a second reel to consider for final voting. Everyone voting would have already seen the first reel, so this could help weed out things like people winning in lead when they really aren’t leads and people winning for basically one good performance over someone who was maybe less flashy but more consistently good across the year. It could also help someone who bungled their submission a little by not submitting their strongest work the first time around.

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    Just to update the info here:

    The Daytime Emmy Awards ceremony will be broadcast on CBS on Friday, June 25.

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    So if there are no pre-noms how are they doing the voting? I know in recent years they have been doing an ordinals system, where the ten pre-noms are ranked by each voter 1-5 with the other 5 (and occasionally 6) nominees getting a 6, with the person with the lowest score being declared the winner. I really wish that transparency included those of us who are interested in the awards!!!

    I have been searching for an official date when the nominations will be announced????

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    I was just looking to see if I could find anything to specify the judging process, and didn’t find anything in the rulebook. I would guess that they’ll use a similar procedure to the ranking system you describe, Freeman, that they’ve used in the past.

    What I did notice, though, was the list of dates. Apparently we are currently in the preliminary judging period (which I assume would apply to at least one or two of the drama acting categories), and blue ribbon panel judging will go from April 26 to May 16. The date given for announcing nominations is June 2021. So surprisingly, we’ve still got a ways to go in terms of even determining who the nominees are, let alone announcing them.

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    Thanks Michael for the information! It’s disappointing – I really want to know who the nominees are!!!!

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    O.K., I wrote to someone listed on the NATAS site and he responded to my question as to when the nominations will be announced. He wrote that the judging is ending this week and that the nominations are tentatively to be revealed on May 25th – so almost one more month of waiting! I was grateful for his response!

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