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    I did some searching online and found this year’s Daytime Emmy guidelines. There were a few interesting things in there:

    1. It doesn’t seem like NATAS intends to announce the pre-nominations. There is no date for it on the list of dates and deadlines, and each category guide says that a performer will be notified by NATAS if they are pre-nominated and need to submit a reel for the blue ribbon panel. Nominations are planned to be announced sometime the week of April 27, 2020, which is around when they’ve held the ceremony in recent years. Pre-nom judging will happen in February, with blue ribbon panel judging taking place from mid-March to mid-April.

    2. In addition to combining the younger actor and actress categories, the Emmys have also eliminated the requirement that people competing as younger must submit material from before their 26th birthday. Anyone who was 25 or under during 2019 can submit material from anytime during the year, even if that material was filmed or aired after they turned 26.

    3. Both younger performer and guest performer categories are now participating as pre-nom categories, and people initially entering those categories submit only a pre-nom (four minute) reel rather than going directly to a blue ribbon panel reel. All of the daytime acting categories state that a pre-nom round will be used if there are 14 or more entries in the category. It seems that with any less than 14, everyone goes directly to blue ribbon panel judging. I’m not sure if even the performers would know whether or not they had to participate in the pre-nom round, unless they were judging.

    4. The rules for guest performer for this year define a guest performer as a performer who played a limited role with a defined story arc that had a beginning and an end. A person is eligible for this even if they have appeared in this role prior to 2019. The show, the performer, and the Emmy administration must all agree that the performer does indeed belong in the guest category. (This note is also present in the guidelines for lead and supporting actor and actress — all parties have to agree on category placement, and the Emmys reserve the right to reject a given place if they feel it’s wrong.) As mentioned, the guest category is now included in the categories that may have a pre-nom round, and the submission for the blue ribbon panel is now aligned with the other performer category submissions. Previously, a guest performer was asked to submit all their scenes from a single episode. Now, as is the case for the lead, supporting and younger performer categories, a guest performer may submit up to 15 minutes of scenes from as many episodes as they choose.

    5. The rules for submissions for drama series, writing team and directing team are the same as last year: two episodes or, in the case of B&B, either two episodes or two pairs of back-to-back episodes, from sometime during the year.

    6. This probably isn’t new, but I found it interesting: Performers not only pick their pre-nom reels and their blue panel reels, but they’re also responsible for submitting a 60-second clip of their work to be used during the awards ceremony. I always thought the Emmy people just took a bit of their reel that was entered, but is a totally separate thing.

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    eastwest
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    NATSS is a walking contradiction. How do you fix your face to talk about transparency with the new leadership and go and do this nonsense with the pre-nominations?

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    FreemanGriffin
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    I have become so discouraged by the daytime Emmys after last year’s debacle ): But I want the pre-noms announced! TRANSPARENCY! I want to know who are on each of the blue ribbon panels so I know who to blame!

    Does the rules about guest performer rule out Brad Maule getting a nomination for his one day role last Friday? (the beginning and end part of it makes me wonder?)….

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    I think the beginning and end language was to help weed out people who are basically just recurring characters or on a storyline that extends well into the following year. I saw that and thought that Kate Mansi and Martha Madison could have been in each other’s categories last year — Mansi spent another month and a half playing her former character, where Madison was mostly on screen specifically for the DNR story. I think Brad Maule would totally be eligible. I also don’t think the rule is meant to rule out participants who would appear in just one or two episode necessarily.

    It was pretty stunning to see this after the talk about transparency, though it’s become very clear to me that transparency is not meant to apply to the general public. I suppose what they really want is to make the performers, executives, etc. who are entering the competition and doing the judging to feel like they know a lot more about what’s happening than the rest of us do. Even the rule book was harder to find than it usually is. The book also says that after the awards take place, a transparency report with statistics will be released, but the transparency report will be anonymized as much as possible. So there’s that.

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    This is encouraging me to not care about the next Daytime Emmys. I don’t enjoy mentioning this. I have followed for 35 consecutive years (since 1985). Even in years—applicable to the most recent—in which I did not watch much of daytime programming (like soaps). But, when decisions like these are made…it gives an impression that a statement is being made by NATAS which says, “We find this all an inconvenience for us.” Well, NATAS, I do have interests in addition to your inconveniences.

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    FreemanGriffin
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    I was so unhappy with last year’s winners I despair for this year’s nominations ): But I really dislike how transparency does not mean for those of us who care about them, the fans. I want to see the entire list of everyone who submitted in the acting categories! Every single name! This way we all know who submitted where and more importantly who did not submit! And YES, I want to know who the pre-nominees are! Hoping it will be leaked and we will learn who they are.

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    They’re becoming less transparent so they don’t get in trouble like they did last year. It’s extremely corrupt and if the networks really cared they would do something about it like boycott them.

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    They’re becoming less transparent so they don’t get in trouble like they did last year. It’s extremely corrupt and if the networks really cared they would do something about it like boycott them.

    I feel like ABC, CBS and NBC haven’t given much thought to the Daytime Emmy’s in a decade or more. I feel like they don’t even care about the soap operas at all.

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    FreemanGriffin
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    Has there been any further word on whether we will learn the pre-nominations later this month? I am so curious about category placements. I suspect for example that Jon Lindstrom will submit in lead again, but what if he submits in supporting? Having to wait until April to learn the nominees is awful!

    The part about guest performers having to have a story arc makes me wonder if Brad Maule can submit his single episode? I think probably yes, but the wording is concerning.

    Is it absolutely for certain that they are combining the younger actresses and actors into one category?

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    I haven’t seen anything more about pre-nominees being announced (or not announced). The pre-nom voting isn’t scheduled to happen until February, so I doubt we’d hear anything anytime soon either way unless we can directly query someone in charge. I expect we’ll get some potentially surprising category placements as always.

    It is definitely a done deal that younger actor and actress are combined, at least for the 2019 acting year competition. It’s possible they could decide to undo that for future years, depending on how it goes. As far as the guest category, I think the specification for the arc to have a beginning and an end is mostly to preclude recurring players who are generally around all the time (someone like Epiphany on GH or Henderson on DAYS) or non-guests who start their roles toward the end of the year and thus only have a few appearances during the year from submitting in the guest category.

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    Thank you Michael! That was very helpful! (:

    I love seeing who the pre-nominees are and hope we get them at some point in time.

    Was it new this year the part about the ability to reject a category placement? I know that hasn’t always been the case…

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    You’re welcome, Freeman! I believe the language about rejecting a category placement is new in most categories, and only was included with the guest category last year. I’m not sure if that was something they added for any procedural reason — actually wanting to reject some category placements — or if it was just part of the streamlining of the category requirements for lead actress and actor, supporting actress and actor, guest performer, and younger performer. I think it would have to be very egregious for them to reject a placement.

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    I’m pretty sure that once the actors who submitted find out (and they must be contacted by NATAS as new material will have to be submitted for the second round of voting) news about who received a pre-nom will eventually trickle down through social media. Of course, it’s always nice and reassuring to get the full list of pre-nominees, and consequently, receive tidbits about who might’ve submitted but was left out.

    Love the change though that was applied to the younger acting category that allows for anyone who was 25 or under during 2019 to submit material from anytime during the year, irrespective of where their 26th birthday falls.

    I guess baby steps, right?!

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    All I can say is that Olivia Keegan, better get nominated in the younger performer category. This is the only year she really deserves to be nominated, and she’s already been nominated twice….so this year better be no different. lol

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    At this point it kind of feels like one step forward and two steps back. The eligibility rules seem to be improving generally, but since the amount of information we’re allowed to receive is being more and more restricted — the different between a few years ago, when we’d know the pre-noms AND get to see the reels, and now, where we might not get either, is pretty stark — it’s hard to really know how positive the rules changes really are. But I hope you’re right, alokin, and news trickles down about who is pre-nominated. But my feeling is NATAS will individually contact people who were pre-nommed, meaning each person will only know that they themselves were pre-nommed and not know who else was necessarily. It seems like it would be hard to compile a comprehensive list.

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