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    ^it is possible that none of the B&B ladies submitted in lead. JMW submitted in supporting and I consider her a lead. We don’t know for certain.

    While I am rooting for Judi Evans, I could be quite happy with Eileen Davidson or Maura West or Nancy Lee Grahn or Sharon Case winning the award. I would be very unhappy if Gina Tognoni repeated; she has some nicely played scenes in 2017, she is technically proficient, but she simply wasn’t anywhere near the “Best” Actress of 2017. I also would be very unhappy if Kelly Monaco were to win, or even be nominated. It’s hard to know what the judges are basing their decisions on and also we never know the composition of the panels – people who worked with one performer more than the others and like each other are more likely to vote for each other.

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    FreemanGriffin
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    Freddie Smith said that he was submitting the scene where he talks to Paul about still loving his dead first husband Will. I wonder if the scene was too subtle; others may have submitted more histrionic scenes. On the other hand, Freddie won his Emmy with a very subtle scene a few years ago.

    Deidre Hall had asked her fans for help choosing her pre-nomination scene. I had suggested the episode when Hope exposes Hattie with her impersonating Marlena and they read Hattie her rights together. But I don’t know what Deidre chose. It has been a mystery to me why they never pre-nominate her. It’s as big a mystery to me as why Robin Strasser never got another Emmy nomination after 1985. It makes no sense.

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    Not knowing who submitted or what people submitted is a little frustrating. I agree, robbalto, people who have a history on more than one soap seem to have an advantage, though I suppose that at this point that describes a majority of the deserving performers on soaps in general. I think it probably comes into play most with current or very recent stints on current or very recent shows, like Eileen Davidson, Wally Kurth, and Steve Burton. I wonder if Greg Rikaart reaped the benefits of having been working on DAYS already despite not having aired yet, not that he generally needs much help getting a prenom.

    I have to say, the scenes Freddie Smith submitted for the prenom definitely sounds too subtle. I remember those scenes being really good, but the idea that four minutes of that could put him past some of the high-velocity performances that surely turn up in these categories seems unlikely. Something with more overt passion probably would have worked better, like some of the stuff in Memphis or even Sonny trying to convince Will to give their marriage a chance after Will comes to Salem.

    I suggested the same episode for Deidre Hall to consider for her prenom. I stand by it, but we don’t know what she ended up choosing. Prenom voting is also a little weird in that, I believe, it isn’t ranked. Everyone who is participating just chooses a top ten, and the ten people with the most votes get the prenoms. So whereas a system with either ranks or scores might weed out some candidates who are okay and making a bunch of lists as the last person in while favoring someone who has a good number of high scores even if some people didn’t list them at all, the list of ten system only gives you one level of voting. And voting for the final nominations/winner is then a whole new game, not only because the judging panel is much smaller and there is a lot more material to view, but also because each candidate is given a score on their own merit. When we view the reels, we tend to just rank them ourselves, which is fine, but doesn’t really mirror what the judging panel would be doing. There’s still the opportunity for favoritism, of course, but it’s not a system where supporting a co-worker or friend has to necessarily come at the expense of someone else.

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    Nice to see some love thrown Stephen Nichols’ way. I wonder what Galen Gering submitted?

    All kidding aside and thinking about Emmy politics, I think Galen turned in the breakup/argument scenes between him and Kristian that lead to Rafe eventually having the one night stand with Sami. I mean, in terms of writing, that was good. But still, I’ve never been woo’d by Galen’s acting. He plays soap hunk and decent soap hero decent but I find him hammy and sometimes he can be scene chew-ish. Evidently, someone was wow’d enough to give him a prenom over Datillo and Diamont. No tea, no shade, I really hope he doesn’t make the final list.

    Yes, you’re probably right about the scenes Gering chose. It’s amazing he was able to beat out other strong contenders like Joshua Morrow or Thorsten Kaye (if they submitted) who I felt could’ve also had a good shot at a nomination. But as we all know, DAYS actors have always had a tough time in this category, so it’s nice to see the whole group receiving lots of love this year. Considering Gering has played one of DAYS’ main leading men for a good decade now, he’s certainly earned his keep and at getting some recognition ahead of a relative newbie like Flynn (who I feel was awarded with a nomination way too prematurely and whose continuous rubberstamping kind of eludes me). It is disappointing not seeing Don Diamont make the line-up, but I have a hunch that maybe he chose to take himself out of the race out of respect for Scott (who is aiming for a repeat win)? With those powerful and heartbreaking scenes where Liam confronts Bill about the affair that just played out a few weeks ago, I just can’t see how he’s not at least in the conversation next year. A nomination for him is definitely in the cards.

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    alokin
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    Casey Moss for the win!!! He has been overlooked every year for a nomination, just like Kate Mansi was overlooked every year until her first nomination and win, here’s hoping history repeats itself. ????

    YES!! Casey Moss!! Can we get an Amen?! Thrilled he’s finally on the roster this year! Also I forgot to mention how happy I am for Darin Brooks who’s been unfairly snubbed too many times. He really deserves a nomination and I’m keeping my fingers crossed!

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    It is so hard to discuss Emmys sometimes because it’s nearly impossible to stick to the year under consideration. Someone being overdue or having been overrewarded in the past always comes into the conversation. Someone like Darrin Brooks, who I really enjoy, is a tough case because he does deserve recognition for some of his work on B&B in the past, he also has an Emmy that should belong to Blake Berris.

    To defend Galen Gering a bit, while I don’t see him as being on the top tier of daytime actors, I feel he’s in the same tier with Thorsten Kaye, Don Diamont, Joshua Morrow, and many others who are capable of doing great work but just don’t bring it quite as much or as often as some of the others. My surprise at his prenomination is more specifically about his year in 2017, when he didn’t have much emotional material and in my mind was questionable even as a lead. Rafe is a character who has been paired with leading ladies like Sami and Hope, but the show has also put him in a coma for like eight months before, and had several other periods where, outside of being in a relationship with someone significantly more interesting than him, he has floundered for storyline. This is why Rafe’s pairing with Jordan was such a bust. After some initial potential, she also turned out to be boring, and no one cared about them as a pair. Rafe’s not an interesting enough character to actually be a lead on his own. My favorite work Gering has done on DAYS was when he had to play Rafe’s doppelganger. It automatically added in some layers of humor and conflict that worked well for Gering and gave him more to work with.

    I don’t know if Don Diamont submitted at all or in which category, but I don’t think he’d have stayed out of the running out of deference to Scott Clifton. Diamont could have just competed in supporting if he didn’t want to potentially obstruct Clifton’s path to another Emmy, though I also don’t really see why Diamont would feel that way at all. If Clifton’s work is superior, it wouldn’t matter if Diamont was competing against him. But also, if Diamont actually were trying to help Clifton win another Emmy, the best thing he could have done would be to get prenominated and then submit a reel that also showcases Clifton in scenes Clifton himself didn’t submit, potentially giving him an even stronger chance because the judges are seeing more of his work. I’m sure my feelings on this are influenced by my feelings toward Scott Clifton, whose style I just don’t enjoy and who I find somewhat overrated.

    I think Billy Flynn has done some really great work on DAYS over the past three years, and I’d hardly call his inclusion as a prenom this year and two years ago, and a nominee this year, rubber stamping. I really wish he’d submitted a stronger overall reel last year, but even with making a poor choice in which material he chose to submit, his performance was rock solid. He’s been the male lead of the show over the last few years, and I’m glad he’s gotten some degree of recognition for being engaging, charming, and effective on a daily basis, despite not having been around as long as some of the other actors on the show.

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    Nu Ciara on Days is nearly as bad as Butch Ciara. Bring back Lauren Boles please!

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    Someone like Darrin Brooks, who I really enjoy, is a tough case because he does deserve recognition for some of his work on B&B in the past, he also has an Emmy that should belong to Blake Berris.

    I disagree. Blake Berris was amazing that year as well, But I also feel that Darin Brooks was just as good, and deserved that emmy that he won.

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    How I wish we could go back to the days before they SORASed Ciara and still have Lauren Boles! What a terrible decision that was. But I do love Victoria Konefal in the role.

    I was happy for Darin Brooks when he won the Emmy, and happy for DAYS, but I definitely felt and still feel Blake should have won. The Emmy judges that year obviously did not agree! I think talking about the Daytime Emmys makes me more opinionated than usual. 😉

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    While everyone I am sure can put together a compelling Emmy reel, I always favor the actors and actresses who I would be happy if they were to win. I would be genuinely happy for Sharon Case, Eileen Davidson, Judi Evans, Nancy Lee Grahn or Maura West – I am rooting for Judi Evans. Same for supporting actress, where there are six actresses: Marla Adams, Eileen Davidson, Camryn Grimes, Jacqueline MacInnes Wood, Mishael Morgan or Arianne Zucker would make me happy – I am rooting for Marla Adams!

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    Marla Adams is the sentimental favorite this year for supporting actress, but Camryn Grimes heartfelt laments about Tessa was some of the best work done on daytime this year.

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    I am very very excited to see some of the reels in these categories, especially supporting actress, either to be reminded in force of some of the great work that was done or to see performances that people have been raving about. It’s sad that we usually only know what the eventual nominees submitted, and those are the only reels that will be made available. I really want to see them all!

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    Here is how I wish the Daytime Emmys were administered: with so many unemployed soap actors they could hire a group of them each year to watch 3 1/2 hours of soaps a day all year long and then nominate the best actors and actresses based on watching the shows. I dislike the tyranny of the Emmy reels ): It is the Best Actress of 2017, not the Best Actress Emmy Reel of 2017!

    I also wish they would change the rules for Guest Performer and allow returning vets, with some sort of cut off of 20 appearances, to compete in the category. Short-term roles that matter.

    I do wish they would let us know who submitted and in which category. I also wish they would let us know what each of the pre-nominees has submitted for the final round.

    I know that Peter Bergman and Scott Clifton did solid work and will likely be nominated – but they both have 3 Emmys already and I would prefer for other actors to be nominated. Michael Easton, Billy Flynn, Eric Martsolf, John McCook and James Reynolds would be my personal top five. Martsolf is the only previous winner, and Easton has never been nominated. Galen Gering hasn’t either but I just don’t think he’s as good as these other actors. Billy Miller has 3 Emmys and I dislike his work on GH, and I am also not a fan of Steve (Stephen Nichols) on Days. JMHO.

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    They need to do what the Primetime Emmys do. Every Comedy or Drama Series nominee submits 6 episodes but no voter has to watch all 6. The 6 episodes are broken down into 3 pairs of 2 eps. Each voter watches one of those 3 combinations and then votes for his/her favorite.

    Each soap nominated for Series should have to pick 12 episodes, one from each month of the year. Those 12 episodes should be broken into 6 pairs and each voter has to watch one of those 6 combinations before voting in that category. They could do the same for Writing and Directing. For acting, each lead nominee should have to choose 6 episodes with no two eps coming from the same month. Then voters are randomly assigned one of those 6 eps to view for each nominee and vote for their favorite. Anybody that doesn’t have strong material for 6 months a year isn’t a lead anyway and can submit in supporting which would require 3 episodes from 3 separate months. Anybody that doesn’t have 3 months worth of story can submit limited/guest where there would be no episode limit. And they should definitely open the category up to returning characters.

    I like the 4 episode/20 minute reel system better than the one or 2 episode reel before but it can easily be abused. Somebody backburnered for most of the year with one week of strong story can easily win lead over somebody who was front and center all year long. This year alone, I think NLG stands a much better shot at a lead nom than Kelly Monaco even though Monaco had a ton of strong story and performances all year long while NLG just had two fantastic weeks in January. But if edited together correctly, NLG would have a big advantage.

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    Thank you, to everyone, for your efforts with following the daytime soaps throughout 2017 and leading to this thread’s discussion on the pre-noms!

    I did not take in the four network soaps—ABC’s General Hospital, CBS’s The Bold and the Beautiful and The Young and the Restless, and NBC’s Days of Our Lives—to feel up for weighing in with some opinions.

    I hope the 2018 Daytime Emmys will be one of the better years. (I think people know what that means.)

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