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    Interesting comparison between DAYS and GH. I think the standout GH quality, compared to not only DAYS but also Y&R and B&B, is that it’s clearly the most competently written. Even with the show blatantly ignoring something they wrote a few years ago and pretending people didn’t just know about Nikolas shooting Hayden, things flow together in a way that makes logical sense, and storylines and relationships are set up in a way that allows for exciting payoffs. Although GH is also the show that consistently squanders that potential in the way storylines are wrapped up, or in some cases not wrapped up. GH also, and I’ve said this before, seems to almost have contempt for the audience, or at least for the idea that the audience should be getting what they want. By comparison, most of DAYS’s problems seem to stem from not realizing that things they’re presenting don’t make sense and/or are frustrating to the viewers. GH focuses on characters that are divisive or unpopular because they are the established leads of the show and viewers should just get used to it. When DAYS focuses on divisive and unpopular characters, it seems like they just don’t know the characters are divisive or unpopular. I think GH often swerves from what would be a more satisfying way to end a story because they want to do something unexpected. DAYS delivers unsatisfying story endings because the show has been lacking a strong enough connection with the audience to understand how most people feel about characters and storylines. That’s my thought on it anyway.

    My biggest complaint about yesterday’s episode is that we diverted from the Trina/Cam/Joss plot to trap Spencer and Esme in favor of having Joss dip into Maxie and Brook Lynn’s conversation to tell Brook Lynn that Sonny is alive and convince Maxie to tell Carly about Nina’s involvement with Sonny’s missing months. While I realize that Carly would of course find out about this, I find it irritating that Maxie is the one to tell her. Jax seems like an obvious choice, but I wonder if this was a last-minute switch because possibly Ingo isn’t filming currently due to vaccination status? Disney announced a vaccine mandate that I believe extends to all ABC-produced shows, including GH, but I feel like the soap press hasn’t really discussed the implications of it. I assume vaccination issues are also why an actor named Adam Huss announced on Twitter yesterday that he’s temporarily stepping into the role of Nikolas Cassadine starting Wednesday.

    Also it was very annoying that the doctor at the hospital where Chloe is is reporting to Victor. I did enjoy the Sonny/Nina scenes and the scenes with the hospital. It’s nice getting Chase and Finn scenes again.

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    Oh, also I realized yesterday that Carly and Jason’s wedding date, September 17, was exactly a year after the date of death on Mike’s tombstone, which is an interesting bit of possible symbolism.

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    My intense dislike for Carly came out in full force watching today’s episode. I just can’t stand her self-righteousness! Good for Maxie for both telling the truth and still loving Nina. After all Maxie didn’t tell Lulu the truth about her baby years ago and she understands this type of lie. Carly has done horrible things and continues to do awful things but she has no self-awareness about any of it!

    We will be getting back to Trina and the gang’s plot to expose Esme and Spencer as the stalkers tomorrow!

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    I definitely still dislike that the show made Maxie be the one to tell Carly about Nina knowing about Sonny — Maxie’s character development and willingness to do the right thing are great, but Nina just made several bad decisions regarding both Sonny and Peter, and Nina is the only person besides Brook Lynn who knows where Louise is. Seems like an undue chance to take that Nina might get mad at her and let something slip, not that I think Nina would do such a thing. But I’m glad that Maxie, even in telling Carly the broad strokes of what happened, said Nina wasn’t trying to be malicious and especially that she asked Carly if she really was in any position to judge. I also didn’t like that they had Josslyn in the scene. I think the writers think if they make Josslyn say the things they want Carly to say, the fans will like it more, but it’s actually just making me like Josslyn less. I appreciate that she’s defending her mom, but Carly can do her own yelling. Also, I don’t recall, does Josslyn know about Carly convincing Jax to not tell Nina that Nelle was her daughter? Because people have to at least to some degree understand that Carly helped bring this on herself.

    I loved the Anna/Valentin scenes, though frankly the two of them dropping their guard to this degree while investigating anything to do with the Cassadines seems really unlikely. It was smart of the show to have Liesl talking to Drew for a change, instead of us just having to watch nuDrew with nobodys.

    So glad we’re finally getting back to the story that’s my top priority with Trina, Esme and Spencer!

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    Cynthia Watros was the MVP for me of yet another excellent GH episode! She really let Carly have it and I was cheering her on!

    I enjoyed Scotty helping Ava and Nikolas.

    The plot to ensnare Esme and Spencer has begun. Loved Cam’s deception about Nikolas and Ava going to Bora Bora but won’t it blow up when Nikolas returns home?

    I did not like Epiphany’s love for Sonny – give it a rest, GH!

    I simply hate Carly, just despise her.

    What is Esme up to with Sonny?

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    Wright and Watros killed it yesterday. I love that someone is finally calling Nina out on her pathetic obsession with Nelle, a kidnapping and murdering psychopath. Wah! Nina’s murderous daughter died so she decided to emotionally destroy Michael, Dante, Kristina, Avery…But yes, Carly’s the bad one here. Give me a break!

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    Wright and Watros killed it yesterday. I love that someone is finally calling Nina out on her pathetic obsession with Nelle, a kidnapping and murdering psychopath. Wah! Nina’s murderous daughter died so she decided to emotionally destroy Michael, Dante, Kristina, Avery…But yes, Carly’s the bad one here. Give me a break!

    I have the exact opposite reaction: Carly is the bad one, I love Nina, and loved that she let that despicable Carly have it!!!!! I am Team Nina 100%! Can’t stand Carly!

    And Michael, Dante, Kristina, and Avery were hardly emotionally destroyed. Life went on without Daddy dearest just fine and in some ways they were better off without him!

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    EmmyLoser (Michael) – this is what I expected with Trina, Cam and Joss’s plot to expose Esme and Spencer (sigh). For some reason TPTB at GH always let the bad guys win endlessly. While there is still a glimmer of hope, Sonny the thug coming in and threatening Nikolas without finding out all the facts is not a good sign that we are going to get a satisfying resolution any time soon. Besides, if they are exposed wouldn’t Esme have to leave the show? Doubt they will have her on for such a brief amount of time ): Really disappointing but I am still hoping that Esme and Spencer are found out BEFORE Ava leaves town.

    Ava’s scenes with Kevin and Ryan were quite good today, the latter was quite chilling.

    Glad Matt Columa’s absence only lasted one day.

    Looks like Jax may tell Carly that Nina and Mike fell in love in Nixon Falls??? Jax needed to tell her that Peter August showed up and mucked it all up, the fire was because of him.

    They really need to get Alexis out of prison.

    For the most part this was another really good episode!

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    I haven’t seen today’s episode yet (Freeman, I only saw the first line of your last post but didn’t read further). But I did want to say that the Carly/Nina scenes were dynamite! I was pleasantly surprised that the writing was pretty fair in terms of not making one or the other of them seem like a total villain. Nina is getting some incredible lines the last week or so. Between her telling Sonny, “I’m sorry I let you fall in love with me,” and then her listing to Carly that she would apologize to Sonny, his kids, his friends, even his 7th-grade math teacher but never her, I am LIVING for her right now. I’m #TeamNina all the way. Whatever people may feel about Nelle (I despised Nelle), it was wrong of Carly to keep that truth from Nina, but the real dagger is that she convinced Jax to outright lie to Nina about it when he was supposed to be helping her track down said daughter! Both Carly and Nina basically told lies of omission, but Carly took the extra step of getting someone close to Nina to actively deceive her. In any event, I’m very excited to see where it goes. If Carly really launches a war against Nina, it’ll likely be an issue between her and Sonny, but there’s still a lot Carly doesn’t know. Cynthia and Laura both SLAYED.

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    EmmyLoser (Michael) – this is what I expected with Trina, Cam and Joss’s plot to expose Esme and Spencer (sigh). For some reason TPTB at GH always let the bad guys win endlessly. While there is still a glimmer of hope, Sonny the thug coming in and threatening Nikolas without finding out all the facts is not a good sign that we are going to get a satisfying resolution any time soon. Besides, if they are exposed wouldn’t Esme have to leave the show? Doubt they will have her on for such a brief amount of time ): Really disappointing but I am still hoping that Esme and Spencer are found out BEFORE Ava leaves town.

    I agree, there’s still a glimmer of hope that the truth will come out, but it’s not looking good. For me, it just feels kind of insane that the show has had Ava in the process of leaving town for what feels like six months, but isn’t using that time to resolve the story so she doesn’t have to leave. The dragging it out otherwise seems pretty unnecessary. But I guess that’s just my logic. Trina’s plan was a pretty big swing, claiming that Nikolas and Ava reconciled and were going to Bora Bora, so I’m a little concerned about the consequences of the plan not working. Sonny showing up with goons with intimidate Nikolas was really ridiculous. A girl he has never seen before tracks him down, claims to be Spencer’s girlfriend, and says she feels compelled to warn him that Nikolas and Ava are leaving town with Avery. What is Sonny’s response? Give a call to Ava, the woman who he just watched say a heart-wrenching farewell to said daughter? Question literally anything about Esme, like whether she’s who she says she is or what she’s up to? Go home to check on Avery and make sure she’s there and okay? No, he tries to call Nikolas, and he doesn’t get Nikolas, he gets a couple of goons and heads to Wyndemere. This is very dumb. If Nikolas and Ava were really trying to sneak out of town, they’d probably be at an airport, not hanging around their castle. This sort of thing is the worst disconnect for Sonny’s character. It is very hard to believe that he can successfully run a mob business when he is this useless in a situation like this.

    The stalking storyline also feels like it’s dragged on for too long because so many people are seeming more and more blase about the whole thing. Even Ava seems more motivated by the idea of what she needs to do (leave town) than why she needs to do it (fearing for her and her daughter’s safety). Maybe it’s just me, but it feels like any talk about the stalker is just very hand-wavey.

    While Carly going to scream at Nina was understandable, I find it a little bananas that she felt the need to start an argument with Jax. It’s funny just how much Carly doesn’t know about not only what was happening in Nixon Falls generally, but also what was happening when Sonny got his memory back. I was giving Jax credit for convincing Nina to tell the truth, but that good work was upended by Sonny getting his memory back on his own. It would behoove Carly to attempt to have a calm conversation with someone who knows more than she does about the situation, but so far, she’s 0 for 3. And why? I get that she’s mad that Nina deceived her and everyone for so long, but it seems like her attitude is not tempered at all by the fact that she just got Sonny back.

    Another great line yesterday, this time from Esme re: Josslyn minding her own business for free instead of worrying about Esme, which will cost her.

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    All I can say is: WOW! What an episode!!!!

    Didn’t care all at all for thug Sonny but everything else about today’s episode was a winner! I was clapping and cheering and excited throughout.

    Spencer finally confessed! Yowzers! Their plot blew up but they still got the result that was needed, Spencer’s confession – and he told about Esme setting fire to the car too.

    Ava won’t have to leave (phew!)

    Maxie is so wonderful, I just love her so much!

    Kin Shriner as Scotty is such a total hoot!!!

    The Leo story is a good one, Ned is such a great step-dad. There is clearly something wrong with him. I love the balance on GH of outlandish stories along with human drama. They are the best at it.

    I have felt that Esme and Ryan are in cahoots…

    Joss, Carly and Jax have such an interesting dynamic. I love Jax because he’s the voice of reason on the show. But he does need to get over Nina! (;

    This episode gets an A!!!

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    I was so so so glad that Spencer confessed and told on Esme, proving that Nikolas was right initially to accuse him and Trina was right when she figured out that Spencer was the stalker and Esme torched Ava’s car. The downside of the scenes was of course Sonny, who was being idiotic in taking Esme’s (a girl he had never seen or even heard about before) word as gospel truth when Nikolas is standing there telling him he’s mistaken. I love that Trina said she wasn’t leaving until Esme got back. Esme and Ryan certainly could be working together, but it seems like there’s a connection there for sure. The first time she showed up, Ryan got so agitated that it seemed unlikely they were actually working together. Then they mentioned that Esme was adopted, leaving the possibility that she could be Ryan’s daughter or some other relative. I can’t wait to see how she responds to what’s happening at Wyndemere. I’m also looking forward to Kevin, Laura, and whoever else apologizing to Nikolas for thinking he was crazy to accuse Spencer of being the stalker.

    I was also glad that the Maxie/Nina scenes established that it’s not an issue that Maxie told Carly the truth, which is good, though I still wish they’d kept Maxie out of it. It seems like Jax has finally given up on Nina, which is certainly for the best.

    The Leo story is not my favorite, I think mostly because it bugs me how dismissive Olivia is being about Austin’s concerns. It does seem clear that Leo isn’t wired the way most kids are, and I understand that Olivia’s fervent denial is very realistic, but it still irks me. And Brook Lynn is so focused on Austin not getting anything from the Quartermaines that she’s dismissing anything Austin says without even considering it. Ned risking being in the dog house with Olivia to try to help Leo is certainly good for Ned, though, who I was ready to write off after the whole cheating with Alexis business. It’s a good redemption arc for him.

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    Yesterday’s episode had some nice moments: Nina’s friendship scene with Curtis; Esme looking for Spencer unaware that he has confessed and running into Joss, Trina and Cam; Carly asking Sonny about Nina – who didn’t tell her the whole of it, nor has she told him about her deeper feelings for Jason; Nikolas confronting Spencer and especially Ava calming Nikolas down and trying to persuade him not to give up on his relationship with his son; Ava learning that Spencer was the stalker; Trina sympathetic a bit towards Spencer…. but I really could have lived without Dante and Sam searching for Drew, and Michael and Willow’s self-righteous anger (although it was nice that Willow did not share his anger).

    I think we are going to learn that Esme is connected to someone on the canvas – perhaps shades of Carly showing up to ruin Bobbie’s life? Or a connection to Ryan?

    Why are no charges being filed (so far) against Esme and Spencer? Particularly Esme for arson.

    The next on GH for today doesn’t look all that great to me. Valentin talking to nuDrew in prison, Peter doing his smirky villain shtick… I really don’t like the casting choice of Cameron Mathison as Drew, couldn’t stand him on All My Children as Ryan Lavery. The whole Peter-Victor stuff is not up to the high standard of the other storylines imo.

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    Even with the Dante/Sam scenes that I didn’t care about at all, I loved yesterday’s episode.

    All of the scenes revolving around Spencer confessing as the stalker and the consequences were fantastic. Nikolas Chavez did an excellent job in those. I felt so bad for Spencer, even though he’s been terrible. I liked the contrast of Esme trying to get drinks at The Savoy and then heading to Kelly’s, thinking they’d be celebrating. The moment when Michael and Willow are leaving Kelly’s and Trina and Cam just appear from the side door to confront Esme was also great. And I especially loved the too brief scene between Trina and Spencer. I love the two of them together, and I liked her explaining that they were trying to help him, not encourage his ill-advised actions like Esme does. Great stuff. I don’t know if there will be charges filed against Spencer and Esme, but I would guess that Nikolas and Ava aren’t interested in having Spencer and Esme prosecuted, and that even if they were, the only evidence they currently have is the hearsay of Spencer confessing, which he obviously would not do in court. The arson and the gallery vandalism are pretty serious crimes, though, so realistically, you’d think some detectives would at least want to look into it.

    I also really enjoyed the Sonny/Carly scenes, actually. It was great watching Sonny trying to figure out what exactly Carly had learned from Maxie and from Nina and what he needed to explain as a result. I really can’t wait until Carly finds out that Nina and Mike were dating and smooching and saying they love each other. Michael and Willow finding out was also pretty entertaining. I like that Michael and Joss were getting themselves wound up about Nina, but Willow immediately mentioned Carly’s deception about Nelle, so they couldn’t sit around acting like their mother was some innocent victim. And I liked that Curtis immediately pointed out that keeping Nina from seeing Wiley at this point would clearly be about punishing Nina and not any amount of concern for Wiley. Michael and Carly have been so blatantly using that child to try to keep Nina in line in a way that’s pretty gross.

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    Today’s episode was exposition on these storylines. Smirky Peter and “bug eyes” Drew in the type of story I dislike the most, the mind control inanity we haven’t had to deal with in awhile on this show. The woman at the hotel room was pretty good and Chloe Jennings explaining what has happened to her was pretty good too.

    Fortunately tomorrow’s show looks to be more promising, with a mix of he stories I care about the most and the ones I am not caring for that much in the episode.

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