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  • EmmyLoser
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    The total lack of pushback from Will and Sonny where Gabi and her schemes are concerned is not only unbelievable (Abigail is first cousins with BOTH OF THEM for crying out loud) but also a missed opportunity for story. It’s just one example of a storyline they could write for Will and Sonny that wouldn’t even involve putting their relationship in peril (if they feel that’s a problem) but would keep them plenty engaged.

    Yesterday’s episode and the comeuppance Lani and Julie delivered were much better than Monday’s. Of course Julie was faking, which makes sense given the end of the previous episode, and it also kind of makes the whole thing pretty funny. Julie had those insults locked and loaded. It’s also good to know definitively that the best way in Salem to prove you’re not a nun is to show up to a public event in a nun’s habit and then remove it to reveal a sexy dress underneath. Both Kristen and Lani felt the need to employ this trick.

    The tribute to Doug and to Bill was nice, and actually made a good counterbalance to the wedding tumult. The timing did seem off because of Julie being at the wedding for most of the episode, but then I suppose Doug is perfectly capable of conjuring flashbacks for Jennifer and Jack all on his own. I am still annoyed, though, that we didn’t see Doug’s or Jennifer’s interaction with Gina.

    Camila Banus did a really good job in this episode, and I loved the contrast of evil Gabi at the wedding versus the softer side she showed at the jail, which mirrored her scenes before the wedding where she ultimately put away Stefan’s picture to move on with Eli. I’d love them to pivot Gabi back to being less murdery in her scheming, but I don’t know where they’re going with things. Good work also from Susan Seaforth Hayes, along with nice moments from Sal Stowers, Lamon Archey and Melissa Reeves.

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    It looks like yesterday was Casey Moss’s last episode. At least if felt that his final scene was a farewell. I will miss him/JJ far more than Will and Sonny combined. Casey came on the show with such natural talent, I think he was overlook or people took his talent for granted. I was watching a few of his earlier episodes opposite Theresa, Daniel, even Eve. He always seemed so natural and brought a sensitivity to his scenes. In my opinion he should have at least two Emmys and 4 nominations for his work. He will be missed. Hopefully he will return sometime in the future. Like I said, this is a much greater loss than both Sonny and Will – who I feel like have been phoning in their performances for the past two years.

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    FreemanGriffin
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    ^Chandler Massey gives amazing performances on a regular basis and is a brilliant actor. I will miss Will and Sonny far more than J.J. Just a different opinion though.

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    I thought it was odd that Julie didn’t acknowledge Bill as her uncle in the scenes with Doug and Jenn. And Jenn didn’t mention Mike or Laura. I think my issue with Bill’s death is that RC does these things for no other reason than he enjoys killing legacy characters off. Although this is one of the few times that it made sense (connecting it to Doug’s 50th anniversary on the show).

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    Maybe its the writing, but Will and Sonny have been a snooze-fest for the past two years. Will has completely lost his spark. I agree, Chandler is a great actor – but give him a good story to play. I think both characters need a break from the screen.

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    I don’t think Chandler or Freddie has been phoning it in at all, but they get so little interesting material to play. They were both fantastic during the flashback week in January — I could see both of them potentially getting Emmy noms for that work. I also think both were great in the more romcom type scenes from the Valentine’s Day flashbacks the other day, very funny, charming and engaging. But the writers reunited them after writing out Leo and then wrote nothing but garbage for them for most of last year, with that brain tumor story, ugh. I think the lack of story for them is a symptom of the same problem with the mention of Bill’s death the other day. It made for a nice little tribute to Bill Hayes, but there were so many issues with how they did things and the lack of connection — Julie barely being there and not really having anything specific to say about her uncle Bill, the lack of any real mention of Laura or Mike (or Lucas), the very weak Horton presence overall. Bill is one of the original Horton kids, so it should have felt like a bigger deal than just pivoting into Doug flashbacks. Do we know if Tom Jr. has also died? Addie and Mickey of course are deceased, leaving possibly just Marie from that generation. Outside of Maggie, who was in by marriage but still very much feels like a Horton, there’s been no one around from that generation of Hortons, meaning Julie, Hope, Jennifer, Mike, Lucas, Sarah, Melissa and whoever are basically the old guard of the family. In a genre that’s so much about family and generational connection, it would have been nice to see that talked about a little. But the current writing regime basically ignores family and friendship connections unless they directly serve the story, which is part of why Will and Sonny have had such crappy story lately despite so much possibility.

    I do agree about Casey Moss, though. Very natural and very talented, and so overlooked by the Emmy community, but it happens. The early storylines with Theresa, Eve, Paige and Daniel were really electric.

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    It’s insane that no one told Ciara until after Rafe was arresting her for assault that her mother was Princess Gina. The line about her being too busy with Ben to be reached is absolute BS. The fact that they haven’t alerted the whole town about Gina and Stevano is ridiculous and completely unbelievable by any standard.

    Also, the writing of this whole business with Brady being suspicious about Victor and Xander wanting Tate tested is kind of nonsense. They are testing every random person to see if they’ll be a match for Mackenzie, including, as of Friday, the entire staff of Basic Black. There’s no line of reasoning to suggest that Tate (as theoretically a second cousin to Mackenzie) wouldn’t be at least a little more likely than all of these other people to be a match. Where they missed the boat is possibly writing this level of suspicion around Xander pushing to get Brady or Kristen tested, two people who would ostensibly not be related to little Mickey.

    The show’s at least had more things happening lately, moving things along, but these little stupid things are driving me crazy.

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    I am really enjoying today’s episode! (: Of course they are only doing the stories I care about today.

    I love that Maggie is starting to remember. I loved the conversation between Will and Victor. I love how Zander is a friend to Maggie. I love how Ciara is so loyal to Ben. I love the friendship between cellmates Ben and Will. And I love that GABI is the bone marrow match!

    Of course tomorrow they will get back to the stories I don’t care about at all ):

    So surprised that Maggie has figured it out so quickly!

    My speculation remains that SUMMER was the actual cause of the accident and she will make a death bed confession exonerating Maggie. and: Evan is David’s father and murdered Jordan!

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    Loved the ending of today’s episode! When Sonny walked in and heard that Maggie, not Will, caused the accident that killed his mother! (: (We have never actually seen what happened though so I am still betting on Summer!)

    Also: we finally got a scene showing that Evan is up to something…

    I was pleasantly surprised that we got a continuation of the scene from the day before with Maggie, Victor and Zander! (:

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    The last couple of episodes have been good. The characters are starting to interact more realistically with people outside their immediate typical storylines, which makes for better storytelling overall. More movement in that direction would be good.

    Gabi being the bone marrow match for Mackenzie is a great turn of story. I suppose it’s pretty bad that Gabi is using this to force Eric and Sarah into getting her out of her current jam, but honestly it doesn’t really bother me. I can’t stop thinking about how they had Kristen arrested and dead to rights on a litany of crimes, but Eric and Jennifer were adamant that Jack and the DA had to give her whatever immunity deal she wanted to tell them where Nicole and Dr. Rolf. That wasn’t even a life or death situation, just a matter of patience, since they didn’t even give the police a chance to try to track them down. Eric and Sarah need to get over their moral outrage and the expectation that a person with the relationship that Gabi has to the Hortons would just go through an invasive and painful procedure to save their baby while their relatives cheer her being carted off to prison. Between Eric and Sarah, they have access to so many powerful people that they can surely get this taken care of. Anyway, I really like where this story has gone.

    Sonny walking in at the end and apparently overhearing Maggie’s conclusion that she is responsible for killing Adrienne was also great, and I didn’t expect that at all. The fact that Maggie still doesn’t remember taking a drink and that her car was heading toward rather than away from the mansion make me hopeful that you’re right, Freeman, and there’s more to the story than we’ve been told.

    We’d seen Evan being shady before, when he destroyed the first letter to Rafe regarding his background check. This was a little more interesting, though, in that Evan called someone. Maybe the show has a better solution in mind than making Evan be Jordan’s murderer and David’s father. Maybe he’s one or the other, or maybe neither? It would be more interesting if they threw a curveball in there, though Ben is supposed to be executed in a few episodes, so there’s not a lot of time to dredge up someone new.

    Will and Ben are so cute. “We should be talking about you getting out of here!” “No, we should be talking about YOU getting out of here!” “But you’re innocent!” “But you’re innocent, TOO!” I’m fully here for it.

    I’m looking forward to seeing what happens with all of these stories!

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    Freddie Smith was particularly great last Friday as Sonny raged at Gabi over her neglect of her own daughter. That combined with his expected rage against Maggie would make for a great tape.

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    I think DAYS is trying to squeeze too many storyline climaxes into too short a time period. Having Gabi get busted at the same time as Mickey’s donor story hits a critical juncture worked well, but that’s also happening as Maggie remembers waking up at the scene of the accident, Ben’s execution day arrives, Stevano “kidnaps” Kayla and ransoms her back to Justin, and Bill dies (among other things I’m probably forgetting) is way too much. None of the stories have proper breathing room, so it feels like we keep missing things that they just don’t take the time to show. For example, I say Stevano “kidnaps” Kayla because it really doesn’t make sense how he went from being an injured patient in need of medical care to holding that doctor hostage. I would have needed to see that to actually believe. Another example is how Justin comes into the Kiriakis mansion looking for Victor at the end of Wednesday’s episode and encounters Sonny. Obviously Sonny tells Justin that Maggie, not Will, is responsible for Adrienne’s death. While I don’t need to see this story told time and again, it certainly would have been nice to see this moment between Justin and Sonny. Like it would have been nice to see what happened when Maggie told Sarah at the police station and turned herself in. I guess they had to hurry up and get to execution day, so they just skipped all this stuff. It just seems really silly to skip important moments between characters when we choke down so much nonsense that no one cares about.

    Also, I’m not going to harp on this because I’m sure something unforeseen must have happened, but how weird that Rafe went to work in an undershirt and a black denim jacket.

    I know it wasn’t the right thing to do, but I loved Gabi leveraging her bone marrow donation to Mickey for freedom from the charges. I’m glad it seems to be working out for everyone.

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    Right before Evan pulled the gun out on Sonny I was thinking he would do just that! It was an exciting cliff-hanger! Evan (Christian) is unstable, that’s for sure!

    I was very surprised by how they skipped over important scenes between Wed. and Thu. this week ): I wanted to see the scene between Sonny and Maggie.

    Kristian Alfonso has been on vacation lately, wonder when we will see her again? I sure hope they finish up this story and we get Hope back real soon!

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    This Stevano story cannot end soon enough for me! I think the fact that the premise is so outlandish makes the writers feel like there are no rules that need to be observed, so nothing needs to be even remotely reasonable or make even a little bit of sense. Stevano’s second demand is that Justin convince Marlena to be with him? To say that doesn’t make any sense at all is an understatement. Not to mention that Justin is the least convincing lawyer in the history of soaps. He keeps getting innocent clients sent to prison or to their execution. The real Stefano might have tried to get the money, if he was having trouble accessing his own, but on the Marlena front, he would leave town/lay low for a while until he had a plan.

    I miss Kristian Alfonso, and though I don’t at all miss Gina, I am annoyed by how they’re running this story with so much happening off-screen. Just end it, for Pete’s sake.

    All of the scenes surrounding Ben’s impending execution and the reveal that Evan is Christian/David’s dad were very good. Robert Scott Wilson really did an excellent job in the scenes with Clyde and with Marlena.

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    Last time Sonny and Will were broken up, Sonny got involved with a gay man who had changed his name to hide his past as a hustler, prostitute and murderer, who eventually blackmailed him for money. Then, when Will went to jail, Sonny got involved with a bisexual man who changed his name to hide his past as a criminal (unspecified) before committing murder, who eventually pulled a gun on Sonny to get money from him. So we have learned that: 1. next time Sonny and Will break up, Sonny should just be celibate; and 2. more importantly, Ron should not be allowed to create any more LGBT characters. I never enjoy seeing a story beat essentially photocopied in this way, and these two storylines were less than a year apart, but it’s even more frustrating that these two characters have been portrayed as so morally dubious. I liked Leo as a character, and he at least had some substance to him beyond just being there to take the fall for a crime. I didn’t have a problem with much of what was written for him as an individual, but it’s much more problematic if it tends toward being a pattern, as it now is. Bisexual characters are so rare in daytime, and most of the ones I can think of have been played as being, at the very least, untrustworthy. They really handled Evan pretty poorly, too. Considering how obvious it was that he’d turn out to be David’s father, I don’t think it would have ruined anything for him to have told Sonny that he was bisexual before it was revealed as part of a confession of him having lied about so much of his past and the reason he came to Salem. That aspect of this story is very disheartening.

    Other than that, I continued to enjoy the execution scenes and the Sonny/Evan scenes, which were both tense and kind of funny. Sonny being so clueless about what was going on made me laugh. Evan: “Rafe fired me!” Sonny: “Is it because he found out you have a gun?” LOL. I also chuckled at Sonny telling Evan about “my friend Lani.” What? The last time I remember them even being in the same place was when they were stuck on that island, along with Eli, Paul, Chad, Gabi and JJ, and Paul got Jungle Madness.

    Speaking of Rafe, I know he’s looking for David and Evan, but it’s odd that he was just not in yesterday’s episode at all — neither pounding the pavement trying to find Evan (though, his first call would have been to Sonny, so I guess that wouldn’t have taken long) or doing something to try to keep Ben from being executed. And though they addressed it, it’s pretty messed up that Justin is so busy trying to swap Stevano’s one female hostage for another that he can’t be bothered to help with the Ben situation at all. It feels criminal for Ciara to have no support system in all of this thanks to the Gina story. Part of intergenerational storytelling is having the generations actually interact with one another. I did appreciate the Roman/Hattie scenes yesterday, and I was glad that Roman was at least concerned about Justin and John’s “plan” to have Hattie pretend to be Marlena so they could get Kayla back.

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