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    Interesting suggestions, Freeman! I definitely agree with a few of them. For one, they need to rest the Brady character for a while and figure out who he is at this point in his life. Let him go to California for a while to spend time with the son he rarely acknowledges and give us all a break. I also think they’ve written Kristen into the toilet as a character, and they should reveal that the lunatic who came back to town at John and Marlena’s wedding is a fake. This would explain her early lack of any emotional attachment to her family and why she was able to get pregnant. Even if our beloved Eileen doesn’t come back (and why would she given what the writers have done to her character), it’s worth it not to have ruined the character the way they have. Of course, I’d certainly bring Will back and write something interesting for him to do without Sonny around. I’d also love to get Paul back, even with a recast.

    I like having Phillip and Chloe around, but they should capitalize on the Last Blast momentum and put them in a story with Belle and Shawn. There was much more to the Shawn/Phillip relationship than just them competing for Belle, so it would be nice to show some of the that. Jan was a smash when she was on, so I’d love to have her involved too, once she gets out of her latest coma. I’d actually like to see Sarah and Xander get engaged again. I love them together. Maybe Sami could get into a sort of rivalry with the two of them. Sarah tried to pass Eric’s baby off as Xander’s and Xander, among other things, has tried to kill both Eric and Brady, so there’s no shortage of motives for her to want to put the screws to them.

    One of the tough things is that fun characters like Jan and Leo (would also love him back in town) almost immediately overplay their hands and need to be sidelined. I know it’s not the 80s anymore, but I miss the days when a troublemaker character like that could insinuate their way into a situation or family and hang around for months causing minor trouble without doing something so extreme that someone tries to kill them.

    I’m curious to see what they’ll do with Charlie. Mike Manning said that the show did film flashback rape scenes that should be airing in the next month or so. And I keep thinking that they’ll connect Charlie, who grew up around a mob family in Philadelphia, to Jake and/or Gwen, who were affiliated with the mob in Philadelphia. It would seem like a waste for that to just be a coincidence.

    In any event, I’m looking forward to Gabi being back on soon and Sami being back before too much longer.

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    I’ve seen a lot of ire online and people saying things like Charlie needs to die/be the center of a murder mystery, which really seems like an overreaction to me. I think a lot of people are pinning how much they dislike this story (as I’ve said numerous times, I hate this story) on the character, who should face consequences for his actions but also has been established with some sympathetic aspects to him and given some interesting relationships. For example, the Tripp/Charlie scenes yesterday were very good — Tripp seemed genuine about wanting to have a relationship with his brother after getting him to admit that he raped Allie. This also is an opportunity for the show to build a villain who isn’t a cartoon character and can potentially function as a long-term antagonist. The show doesn’t need to redeem him to keep him around, they just have to acknowledge him for what he is. Part of the appeal of Stefano for a lot of his later years was that ostensibly good characters would either discover that he was their father (Lexie and Chad, for example) or discover that he had done terrible things (Kristen) and have to negotiate having this kind of person in their lives. This kind of thing is much more interesting to me than stuff like Diana Colville showing up and trying to take Marlena out to get John or turning Hope and Steve into Princess Gina and Stefano or Clyde and Orpheus breaking out of prison to kidnap a baby every six months.

    Brady is such a jealous baboon. It kills me that he’s still talking about Stefan putting Chloe in danger when Stefan was protecting Chloe from the cartel guys who were after her. He spent one episode trying to ‘help’ Phillip but then very quickly just started trying to control Phillip’s relationship with Chloe. I’m glad Chloe called him out. It’s also astounding that Nicole is spending all of her time as a wannabe detective dealing Allie/Charlie/Ava and Chloe and Brady are looking through Titan financials and arguing with/about Phillip and I guess Basic Black is just running itself? Also I guess there’s no security at the Kiriakis mansion but The Salem Inn is a super safe place to be. Some days the writing makes no sense at all. And if we’re meant to believe the reason Phillip doesn’t at this point just admit that he has this gambling debt and get the money from Victor to pay it back is because he’d rather take his chances on getting killed than continue to be known as the family screwup, we’re going to need some much more compelling character development in Phillip to sell that.

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    I was thinking the other day that maybe they will keep Charlie on the show but he does need to have consequences for his actions – how to do both would take some creativity but I really love Mike Manning as Charlie and would much rather watch him than Brady/Philip/Chloe scenes.

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    Yes, they have to perform the magic trick of having Charlie face the consequences without just getting rid of him. DAYS has been good at shuffling people off and then bringing them back — even among the current crew Ben, Claire, and Bonnie have all served sentences in either Bayview or Statesville. A trick they liked to use before was to have a person be convicted and sentenced but then have law enforcement need some special skill or relationship that person has and abbreviate their sentence, as happened with Lucas, Arianna, Eric, and I’m sure others I’m forgetting. Charlie seems like a potential candidate for this, as I think both his parents’ families are in organized crime. One thing I’m not fond of is to just make us watch the person in prison seemingly indefinitely, a la Kristen right now.

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    As usual, Ronnie screwed up Gwen’s back story by making her Jake’s girlfriend.

    We’re supposed to feel sorry for her because Jack didn’t raise her? Guess what. Jack missed large chunks of Abby’s childhood.

    Her anger towards Abby would’ve made sense if she was Andre’s daughter. Instead, she’s treated Abby like crap and almost killed her (via drugging) because Jack is her dad by some random woman named Tiffany. Sorry Gwen. You are a psycho.

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    Yeah, I still think the show made a mistake in turning Gwen into this dark, revenge-driven character with a tortured past instead of just letting her be a fun golddigger and general schemer. Generally I don’t really mind that she’s Jack’s daughter — as long as that’s the end of it and there’s not an attempt to make her, as some rumors have claimed, the daughter of someone like Kate or Laura. (I do agree both that Gwen wanting revenge for Abigail killing Andre would be a much better motive for her dark behavior than anger that she missed out on having Jack as a crappy father.) Jack could very believably have just gotten some random woman pregnant before he came to Salem, before he got together with Jennifer, during one of his stints where he was off canvas. I suppose Gwen’s whole version of events could be just a classic case of a child being misinformed or there could be something more going on, but it’s not like I need a lot of convincing that Jack is not that great of a guy. After all, he was an absolute ass when he didn’t have his memories, which suggests he’s only pretending to be a decent person because his family wants him to be. Anywho, I thought Emily O’Brien did a good job in the scenes, and I guess I’m glad that people finally know it was Gwen, not Gabi, who drugged Abigail and made her switch from Kate Mansi back to Marci Miller.

    Outside of the Gwen story itself, it is also weird that, with Charlie and Gwen, the show has now in very short order revealed that two characters, Tripp and Abigail, have been targeted by a sibling they didn’t know they had. The similarities in Charlie’s and Gwen’s sob stories stand out even more because the stories are happening at the same time, so once again, we are repeating many of the basics of another story that’s happening at the same time. Repetition and pacing.

    I guess I do owe the writing team something of an apology, though, for being so critical about Will’s recent visit. Apparently, according to Ron, both Sonny and Sami were supposed to be in Salem in person for the holidays, but production delays as a result of COVID meant that Alison Sweeney and Freddie Smith were no longer available by the time they were filming the scenes. Sami was supposed to have crashed Belle and Shawn’s wedding, and all of Will’s scenes after he got there were supposed to involve Sami, which is why he then just disappeared from the episode. Now certainly this could have been handled better. After all, they did rewrite the wedding scenes and had no problem working around Sami’s absence for those, but it’s good to know that at least the original plan was something better. Still, it seems like the show should have made it more of a priority to at least get a scene or two of Will and Marlena before his visit was over, and I haven’t seen any excuse for Will not checking on his friend Ben, who was still missing when he left town, so the apology is a small one.

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    So I guess Gwen and Charlie didn’t know each other from Philadelphia. Having them acknowledge that they’re playing out two versions of the same story was good I guess, and it’ll be interesting to see if anything comes of it. I’d say that Gwen and Charlie could pull a Strangers on a Train type of deal where he starts tormenting Abigail and Jack and she works on Ava and Tripp, but both of them have been in the papers and everyone should know that both of them are trouble.

    The rape flashback scenes were pretty uncomfortable to see, but Lindsay Arnold did a great job. I really enjoyed actually seeing party girl Allie from before she got pregnant. It’s kind of a shame that we missed out on the fun version of the character and only got her once she needed to deal with her pregnancy. If the story had been crafted a little more patiently, instead of throwing us directly into the third act, we probably could have gotten a lot more out of the story and the character of Allie.

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    Really liked the flashbacks in the style of 80’s soap operas. lol the hair. But it wasn’t just the style it was the content. The really amazing performance from emily o’brien. Really really amazing

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    I laughed so hard when Marci Miller and Cady McClain first showed up on screen as Jennifer and Laura, respectively, and it was even funnier that Marci was basically acting like Cady. I really enjoyed all those scenes. Emily O’Brien was kind of the only one I could take seriously, but she was great. As a side note, I get that Laura was trying to protect her family, but it was kind of bizarrely cold of her to give no thought to the emotional well-being of a child who was growing up without her father, and then no thought to her financial well-being either when she realized Tiffany was dead and just shrugged her shoulders and moved on. I feel like Gwen should be getting payback on her.

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    I hope we get back to Charlie/Ava/Tripp/Allie today! I really want to see a scene where Roman apologizes to Tripp!!!!

    Yesterday’s show was weird!!! (;

    I was wondering if Suzanne Rogers has been continuously on the show for 47 years, except for the short period when Marlena “killed” Maggie, or was she ever off the show for any period of time since 1974?? I know that Susan (1968) and Bill (1970) have been associated with the show longer but they had long absences over the years…

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    I believe Suzanne Rogers has been continuously since 1974, with the exception of the serial killer storyline that culminated the Melaswen story. However, I think it’s also the case that she was away from the show for an extended leave (while on contract) during the 1980s when she was first dealing with her myasthenia gravis. I could be wrong about the contract status, but she definitely hasn’t had the lengthy absences that Bill and Susan have.

    I’d been thinking the same about Roman. He should be second in line to apologize to Tripp, behind Nicole. I also thought it was kind of funny that Nicole started Roman on planning a party for Eric’s homecoming and then, on learning that Eric actually wasn’t coming home, pointedly declined to go back into the pub and tell Roman about it. I just chuckled at the thought of Roman being left out of the loop and planning a menu, picking out music, etc.

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    Someone pointed out the other day that Nicole and Roman once had an affair and I couldn’t help but think about that when Nicole was telling Roman that Eric was coming back.

    As for Gwen, I don’t feel sorry for that shrew. She’s being written as a victim when she’s done nothing but cause problems for Chad and Abby. And what Ron has planned for Laura is typical of him. I’m utterly disgusted.

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    Oh boy. I don’t know what’s coming up for Laura, but now I’m kind of dreading it. I felt so bad for Laura at the end of today’s episode. I think we’re meant to feel sympathy for Chad and Jack in this situation — Laura, I guess, is just meant to be the scapegoat — but it’s so hard when they behave the way they do. This is the second time in the last three months that Jack has been absolutely berating one of his family members (first Abigail, now Laura) for their poor handling of a bad situation he created in the first place. And it’s hard to forget what an absolute nightmare he was when he had amnesia (note: totally acting of his own volition, just without memories). Not to mention that offering Gwen a check was obviously not the right move. The man is trash (as Chad has proven to be). It really feels like bad character writing to lay this all on Laura, and even worse that Jennifer was inside comforting Jack while her mother was outside crying her eyes out.

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    So much of the show isn’t really working for me right now. I am finding Linda Dano’s take on Vivian incredibly disappointing – how are others feeling about her??? Jack’s shrieking is just giving me a headache! (; I miss Will. I miss Sami. I wish the stories were more compelling.

    Glad that VK is back as Ciara!!!

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    I’m really liking Linda Dano’s Vivian so far. It feels like everyone is at least on the same page and giving us more of less the character who Louise Sorel plays when she’s on, which is a huge improvement from the insanity we got from the Robin Strasser stint (not blaming Strasser really, as it’s clearly what the show wanted).

    The show can produce enjoyable moments, but there are still so many issues. I usually get annoyed with Susan pretty quickly when she shows up over the last few years — sort of similar to the Vivian issue, Ron has made her so over-the-top that she’s just too much — but she was hilarious on yesterday’s show. I also loved Ciara pulling a classic Ciara move with her captor. She’s a character I’ve really missed having around, so glad she’ll be back on for a while.

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