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    I will be really unhappy if Jan turns out to be the murderer but this is Days and the writing often makes no sense. The theory that is out there is that she was faking the coma and her motive is solely to frame Belle for his murder. I really don’t like it. I am assuming John will believe that Belle is the murderer and that is what he will think he remembers on today’s episode. We are supposed to find out who the real murderer is “soon”, some have said today, but I think we’ll be told it’s Belle today but it won’t be.

    Does anybody watch Dishin’ Days on Sundays??? I have been enjoying it very much!!! You don’t have to watch it live on Sundays, you can watch them any time you wish – it’s a lot of fun!

    I am hoping Days and GH get the most Daytime Emmy nominations. For actors from Days my must be nominated actors are Chandler Massey, Mike Manning, Robert Scott Wilson, Lucas Adams and Freddie Smith, and others I would like to see on the list are Paul Telfer and Wally Kurth. I think the actor’s name who played Vincent is Mike Granat, I would like to see him get a Guest Performer nomination. For actresses my must list would be Lindsay Arnold, Victoria Konefal, Alison Sweeney, Kassie DePaiva (is she eligible for Guest Performer?) and Suzanne Rogers, with others I would like to see on the list being Judi Evans (esp. for her work as Adrienne more than Bonnie), Olivia Rose Keegan, Camila Banus, and maybe even Kristian Alfonso. Deidre Hall is always great too. It will be interesting to see who makes it from Days this year. I just wish the nominations would come out soon!!!

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    The show ended up making sense of their last two murder mysteries, Deimos and Andre, even though I wouldn’t have thought either really worked on paper, so I’m willing to give the outcome here the benefit of the doubt until I see what it is. Jan wanting to frame Belle for murder is something I could absolutely see, but the mechanics around that — faking the coma, having/wearing Belle’s coat, being witnessed by John — just sound too outlandish. I guess we’ll see.

    It’ll be interesting to see how many Emmy nominees that are no longer with the show DAYS ends up getting. Even someone like Kate Mansi, who I think people kind of forget was on the show for the first half of the year, did some great work surrounding Abigail being drugged and having those terrible hallucinations. A number of the more veteran performers tend not to submit, and I think the show could submit on their behalves, but who knows if they will or not.

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    I saw an oddly truncated version of today’s episode – missing the last 10 minutes or so – and as I suspected John thinks Belle killed Charlie but all he saw was the red coat with the hood up. He or she did look very short. They are definitely making it seem like Jan is the murderer and they will do some stupid recon as to how she slipped out of the hospital while she was supposed to be a coma and somehow got a hold of Kate’s gun and Belle’s red coat (or one exactly like it) blah blah blah. I really hope this rumor is untrue! I don’t like this denouement at all! (btw, Melinda Trask was being a total biotch! and totally unprofessional but it’s Days so what else is new?)

    I liked Tripp’s scene with Steve and Kayla where he said he wants to change his last name from Dalton to Johnson; it was sweet. And Claire talking to Allie calling her out on her feelings for Tripp was nice too.

    Whoever loaded the video left out the last ten minutes ): I assume Belle has been arrested for Charlie’s murder and Jan has broken into Marlena’s desk to get the incriminating tape where John says he witnessed the murder (but again he didn’t see who pulled the trigger!).

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    I just saw the last 10 minutes of yesterday’s episode and I am so disappointed in the poor choices Days has been making lately ): I feel so cheated! Jan being the murderer is beyond stupid! They better explain: how did she get past security and the nurses and disable her machines as she was supposed to be in a coma? How did she get a hold of Kate’s gun? How did she get Belle’s coat or one exactly like it? Is her sole motive just to set up Belle??? This is why I haven’t been enjoying Days lately – really poor writing choices!

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    I’m going to give the show a chance to explain this Jan business, but I agree, I don’t love it. I believe the police have confirmed that Charlie was killed with Kate’s gun, which would have already been in the apartment, but it seems like Jan came in with it, which would be weird. The coat thing would be relatively simple. All Jan had to do was get the identical coat as Belle, leave a button at the scene, and then get a button off Belle’s coat, which she wears everywhere. I take more issue with the coma thing, the murder of it all, and the John aspect of it. How did Jan spend months faking a coma? There could be explanations, but I’d like to hear what they are. Why did Jan kill Charlie? There are other things Jan could have framed Belle for without killing a person, so I’d like to know the thought process there. And was John a part of Jan’s plan, or did she have something else in the way of evidence she was planning to use to frame Belle? Because a matching button is almost nothing.

    This brings me to Melinda Trask. I’m all for her being harsh with Rafe for his lack of progress in the murder case, but insisting that he arrest Belle on the basis of only this button is insane. Can you imagine her in court trying to convict a person based on a button? At this point, they can’t actually place Belle at the scene and seem to have no forensic evidence to support this. I could see Melinda telling Rafe he better put Belle’s name on that list and do some investigating, but this was way over the top. This also feels repetitive of the Andre murder, where they arrested Gabi based on a person looking like her from behind but never saw the face. I’d love for someone to bring that up.

    The scenes with Tripp, Steve and Kayla were very sweet, though. I loved those. Soap characters change their last names to match a biological parent so often that they usually just gloss over it, so I’m glad they made kind of a big deal about it.

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    Transk would really be convicting Belle based on motive. She has a great motive!

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    I found today’s episode pretty dull but I did enjoy Abe recounting all of Zander’s past crimes very amusing! And I am up for a new Zander scheme too.

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    I guess it’s soap opera and I shouldn’t give it so much thought, but Belle’s motive really doesn’t seem like enough to get her locked up considering how many other people’s motives were just as strong and some of them have admitted to being in the apartment! That’s why I could get behind Melinda insisting on prosecuting Allie or Ava, but Belle just seems like the person she can most easily browbeat Rafe into arresting.

    I also liked Abe going over all of Xander’s misdeeds, and I don’t think I even heard him mention how he shot Marlena while trying to kill Eric and had her in a coma for months. I was also glad they explained why Xander has no money. The explanation is perfectly plausible, and only took like three sentences, but without it, that detail would have felt like a silly contrivance. There are DOZENS of examples of this where the show could do itself a world of good with a small amount of attention to detail.

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    I wish I could drive to Salem and slaps some handcuffs on Kristen myself. I’m so tired of this reign of terror she’s on to keep Brady. Now she’s knocked Kate unconscious? Wouldn’t it have been easier to just silence Vivian, who is already in prison, one way or the other? Like the idea that Vivian’s going to call Jake to try to confirm that he’s broken up with Kate feels totally absurd to me. But I was glad that Kate very quickly saw that Kristen was not actually Susan and that she didn’t even seem interested in trying to turn her in. She just wanted to be left alone.

    The Xander/Paulina/Chanel scenes were a hoot. The Lucas/Chloe scenes were also really funny, though I can’t believe Lucas told Chloe he was dying! What an insane lie.

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    I was thinking about why I continue to watch the show. For me it’s the actors and the fact that there are only 4 shows left. I continue to be unhappy with the spotty writing – individual scenes are well-written and they do comedy well and the actors deliver even when the writing isn’t there – but for me it isn’t really enough to hold my interest or love the show.

    I really wanted Lucas to march right in and tell Chloe the truth about the situation! It makes Lucas into a horrible liar and the lie is so bold-faced and cruel too.

    I got into trouble on Dishin’ Days for asserting that I could write the show better than Ron Carlivati but I honestly believe I would do a better job than he is doing. I don’t think there is any real way of improving the ratings all that much at this point. Too many channels, not enough interest in soaps anymore and some poor choices as to how to keep the genre alive have all conspired to mostly kill this genre of television that I love so much. Tony did what if I were a woman would be called “mansplainin'”, telling me that “what you don’t understand is…” – but I DO understand soaps all too well!!!

    My thoughts on VK leaving the show is that they ought to have worked harder at replacing her if she was only available for a short time. I was all for her having amnesia but I have disliked how they have made her so shrill and how other characters aren’t understanding that she is in an impaired mental state – all anyone ought to be doing for her is helping her to remember, not this namby-pamby approach. Personally I think Ben as her husband ought to be making decisions for her during this time when her mental state is diminished.

    It’s just like Days to reveal that Jan is the murderer and then not return to it for the whole rest of the week! I know they will concoct lame soap logic reasons of how she faked a coma, got a red coat and Kate’s gun blah blah blah… I think I resent this storyline because the show fired my favorite new actor to come along in a long time. Yes, Charlie needed consequences but killing him off wasn’t worth losing such a good and interesting actor and character. They keep Kristen going with all of her crimes, Jake is a rapist, Ben is a murderer – in time Charlie could have been redeemed after some real consequences for his actions.

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    I totally understand the feeling that we could write the show better than Ron is doing. Some missteps that happen feel so obviously wrong, and many missed opportunities just seem to slip by.

    The thing with Charlie is that this whole story was conceived to be what it is now. Several people involved have said that the show never intended to keep Charlie around as a character and always intended for him to be Allie’s rapist and be murdered via murder mystery. The wrinkle was that Mike Manning was really great and likeable in the role (at least before all the truth came out), and so some fans wanted to see him stick around. But I’m of the mind that just because a character had redeeming qualities doesn’t mean he needed to be redeemed, and just because the actor did a great job doesn’t mean the character needed to stick around. The show does have a bunch of reformed criminals like Ben and Jack (I think you meant to say Jack is a rapist, not Jake), and also several not-reformed criminals, Kristen chief among them. Now I do think it wouldn’t have hurt them to just have Charlie be arrested and convicted, which would have not only left him on the table for a potential arc later (after all, Ben’s redemption only works to the degree it does because he was off screen in intense therapy for years), but also frankly given the justice system a win that they could really use.

    I can’t believe poor Chloe is doing research and finding doctors for Lucas. I’m sure he didn’t think about the real consequences of what he was claiming, but oh boy.

    Also, I agree that the Ciara stuff is not being handled all that well. I don’t agree that amnesia means Ciara is in a diminished mental state, and Ben making decisions for her would feel kind of evil and gross to me, but the way it’s being executed is also weird and not good. Like, the only place Ciara has been in all of Salem is the hospital. She’s planning to leave the hospital to immediately go to Jo’burg (it’s killing me that they keep calling it that instead of just saying Johannesburg, but I guess it’s nice they’re being specific) with Theo — how does that make sense? She doesn’t want to go to familiar places she likes, see some of the people who didn’t visit her in the hospital, hang around to support her brother while Belle is arrested, etc.? Also, and this is probably the most bizarre thing, HER MOTHER IS MISSING. They’ve been underplaying it, but have repeatedly said they can’t reach Hope and don’t know where she is. Characters who would normally be mounting a crusade for find her — John, Steve, Shawn — are being very nonchalant about this, and Ciara seems not to care at all, which is insane. So I’d love to see a conversation where someone says, Hey, I know you love Theo and don’t want to be around Ben and Claire, but how about you deal with the rest of your life maybe and worry about the rest of the memories you don’t have instead of running off to another continent before even going to see your grandfather? Honestly. There are many ways to give a character an open-ended exit that doesn’t make people want to scream. And as much as I love Victoria Konefal, it feels ridiculous that the show didn’t recast the character when she no longer wanted to be on the show.

    Also, it is driving me crazy that everyone is now referring to Basic Black as Brady’s company and saying he runs it. It was bad enough that they had Nicole agree to make him co-CEO, and now people are acting like she doesn’t even exist and like Brady, not DiMera, owns the company. They also are getting absolutely not mileage out of the fact that Kate is a high-level executive at DiMera now, and DiMera owns Basic Black, which is run by Nicole and also employs Chloe, who women who Kate despises and her hate her right back. That’s a much more fun dynamic to me than Kate and Gabi fighting over the juicy cheeseburger that is Jake.

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    I am glad that Hope has finally been found and mentioned. I do not for the life of me understand why Ciara wouldn’t wait a few more days to see her mother return home before traipsing off with Theo to South Africa!!!! I worry that the plane will blow up and Hope will be presumed dead blah blah blah. Here’s hoping Kristian Alfonso has agreed to a short visit to wrap this up. Personally I would be fine with Ciara leaving to be with her mother somewhere with the promise of returning. I was worried that Ben was going to take a page out of Sami’s playbook and ask Claire to recreate the second fire at the cabin in the hopes of somehow restoring Ciara’s memory just like Sami tried to do with Will and Ben when Will couldn’t remember his past.

    Aunt Paulina mentioned she will be returning in a few weeks time (our time or Salem time????)…

    I expected Nicole to say to Jan today that while it is not something Belle would do it is something Jan would do!!!! Heather Lindell is doing a great job with her scenes.

    I expect John to realize that he didn’t actually see Belle only her red coat and they start to put the pieces of the puzzle together. I assume Jan will send Trask the hypnosis tape of John saying he saw Belle shoot Charlie…

    I think the Chauvin verdict pushed the show back a day and that is why we are getting what seem like Friday cliff-hanger episodes on Mondays and Monday type episodes on Tuesdays…

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    I’m also glad that Hope has finally been found. Ciara asked Shawn to have Hope go to Johannesburg to meet her there instead of coming back to Salem, which is about as reasonable an explanation for Hope not coming back to Salem as could be expected honestly. It doesn’t require any presumed death or over-the-top shenanigans, and the Hortons historically love to be on the African continent if they’re not in Salem. As much as I don’t love Ciara just leaving and still don’t think it makes sense, I’m okay with it tying up the Hope loose end. Ciara can come back in a few months or whenever and it’ll be fine, or whenever they decide to have her memories restored she can come back with Theo and play things out for a month or two. This seems fine I guess. I hope Ben doesn’t do anything crazy, but since they seem to have hit on a good solution to Hope not coming back, I doubt anything he does will actually succeed.

    It was great that John and Belle actually had a conversation about him assuming he’d seen her shoot Charlie (hard to overstate how dumb John seems in this whole business, especially after Belle insisted she’d never been to Charlie’s apartment). I’m glad things are moving along there.

    I don’t think the Chauvin trial affected the DAYS schedule actually. I don’t recall them having missed an episode, even when one didn’t air on television, because they were always posted online. The big cliffhangers this past Friday were Paulina discovering Chanel and Xander’s plan and Kristen getting caught dragging Kate across the DiMera living room.

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    Sami’s facial expressions made laugh several times during today’s episode. I thought just maybe Lucas was going to tell Chloe the truth! Oh well…

    Jan was very clever in her way of getting Trask to get a search warrant without implicating herself…

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    Rafe and Ava’s conversation about Hope was so jarring because Ava once shot her (or kidnapped her?) and she was so nonchalantly talking about this woman as if she’d done nothing.

    They need to recast Ciara and Eric because they have Ben and Nicole in limbo. They do it for pretty much everyone else. I wish they would get the original Trask back too. The current one is all snarl but that’s probably more the crappy writing than anything else.

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