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    The cliffhanger was the WORST. IDEA. EVER.!!!!!! Do they really not know how we feel about Doug and about Bill? This is wrong, it’s stupid, it’s inane, and oh how I hate sci-fi storylines on soaps!

    But I will admit that I love Johnny’s movie – but change the title to “Hurricane Sami Strikes Again!”

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    Good news: dough doesn’t have Alzheimer’s!
    Bad news: Doug is possessed by the devil.

    So I wonder if the devil is going to jump from Doug to Marlena or go back and forth

    The older electronic devil voice was deeper and more pronounced.

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    It was great to see Will show up on the main show! I do miss having him around, and I’m already in withdrawals after finishing Beyond Salem.

    Honestly I’m a little more here for the possession storyline (which is really supernatural rather than sci-fi) than I was the sci-fi storylines with Stevano and Princess Gina and the like. A story so bad it drove Kristian Alfonso from the show! This also seems like it will be less bad than Kristen’s mask use, which made no sense.

    I haven’t seen Friday’s episode yet, but I’m sure that after today, I’ll be all caught up again. Then I can complain about the storylines in real time!

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    I have the feeling nobody will agree with me but I am really hating this revisiting of the possession storyline. I don’t like Doug’s involvement with it at all. I wish they would stop staying in the past and create storylines that are new and in this moment. They have so many characters on the canvas stuck in the past these days. I am tired of campy stories on Days.

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    I have to say, I did enjoy the Friday and Monday episodes and the way they’re delving back into the possession story. I doubt the show will stick the landing, but so far, I’m enjoying it. The conversations around the ridiculous things that have happened with Marlena (the possession and the serial killer story, not to mention the infamous Titan conference room table sex that made Sami Brady the hurricane she is) have been some of the most emotionally grounded discussions the show has had in quite a while. I also like the contrast of John feeling obvious shame about the affair with Marlena and terror about the subsequent possession against the scenes with Johnny and Allie, for whom this is all just something unbelievable that might have happened a long time ago. I also thought the acting from Deidre Hall and Bill Hayes was very good.

    Also, I really hope Kate and Roman get back together! It really warmed me when he said that she’s his favorite person in Salem. Given everything between them, that just seems so sweet.

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    It’s been good to see Victor again the last couple of episodes, and in classic form with some great zingers. I think my favorite was him saying to Chloe, “Kristen set the bar for ‘good enough for Brady’ so low that even you can crawl over it.” Ha! It was also very funny that Brady went to Victor to try to get Phillip in trouble and Victor’s response was to tell Brady to seduce Chloe. I’m also glad that Gabi’s fortunes seem to be changing, with EJ buying the house from under her and Ava telling Phillip that she and Jake are plotting to take over at Titan. I love Gabi, and her trying to kick Chad out of the house was really funny and felt totally deserved, but she and Jake together thinking they’re so clever has been pretty annoying.

    The DiMera mansion also being back in the hands of the family feels like a needed correction. EJ wanting to buy the house (or buy the bank or pay off the mortgage or whatever he did) also makes me feel like at least he might have had a bigger reason for wanting to get the million dollars back from Xander. Though now that EJ has had the charges against Xander reinstated (and honestly, how does this work? he calls the judge and retracts whatever bribe he made in the first place? he, as Xander’s lawyer, tells the judge that Xander is in fact guilty and should be rearrested? it’s kind of nonsense), I hope Xander just gets off on the basis of Jack retracting his statement and then he keeps the money. It also occurs to me that EJ may think Xander has more money than he does if he thinks Xander was actually dealing drugs.

    I also don’t understand why Chad is such a jerk while also being so useless. He was doing absolutely nothing about Jake being CEO at DiMera, but when EJ comes back with a plan to oust Jake, Chad acts like EJ is committing a crime by wanting to take over himself. Now Chad is mad that EJ didn’t include him in this plan to get the house back from Gabi, even though Chad has known about this all along and done, again, absolutely nothing. The writers need to get it together, because they act like both Chad and Brady are supposed to be attractive leading men, but both of them generally behave like spoiled, entitled children.

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    Ron Carlivati was the guest on Dishin’ Days this weekend. He was not asked any tough questions and as usual Tony Moore, the host of the show, didn’t ask any of our questions. It was interesting but it makes me sad that he thinks he’s on the right track with the current storylines. He became headwriter in 2017- for me the decline in the show began in 2018. There have been a few really good storylines since Ron C became the head-writer but the writing has been inconsistent. Individual scenes have been great and the actors have made poor material work time and time again, but the overall storyline arcs haven’t been all that great, and there are many characters on the show right now who aren’t particularly interesting. (I can always tell when I am bored because I get more of my housework done!).

    I seem to be the only one who doesn’t like the possession story and hope it’s a mercifully short one. I want more dramatic stories and less camp and melodrama on the show. Camp in small doses and some melodrama are fine and par for the course for soaps but on Days it’s entirely too much imo.

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    It’s interesting that Ron really hit the ground running on the show with a story that was a little far-fetched but very grounded in human drama and classically soapy — Will’s return from the dead — and then a very timely story of deep emotion and family drama — JJ shooting Theo. These were highly praised and garnered a sweep of the top Emmys for the show. But he’s gone pretty far from that sort of thing. I think a lot of fans think of DAYS as a show with a good element of the far-fetched, as the possession story and Stefano’s brainwashing shenanigans are classic storylines for the show. But the revisiting of the brainwashing stuff has been terrible. I’m mostly glad that the possession stuff is going better so far.

    I do think it would help if interviewers challenged Ron a little more. He’ll get into little back-and-forths with the fans from time to time, but he never seems to be absorbing the criticisms.

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    It’s kind of sad to me that Johnny is being such a turd about the possession and insisting on making this movie (not to mention casting it with relatives who have zero acting experience, LOL). So far, the show has generally done a good job of grounding the emotions of the storyline, but Johnny not caring at all about dredging up such a painful time for Marlena and John is hard for me to swallow — even though a 20-something DiMera being self-focused and entitled shouldn’t come as that much of a surprise to me. I think part of it for me is that the show just skipped all the formative years for Allie and Johnny, so this is as tough for me as Allie being so obsessed with Sami not being involved when she was pregnant last year. It just seems like he should care about his grandparents beyond their ability to finance his film.

    Also, the way they keep describing Will’s screenplay is ludicrous. I know that’s what Will wrote years ago when he went to Hollywood with Sami, but they could have said he turned it into a novel or something, given the amount of detail it appears to include from Marlena and John’s affair in the early 90s to at least EJ and Abigail’s affair in the early 00s. Why would a screenplay describe EJ’s naked body in detail, especially in details that Will would have presumably had to invent?

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    I just spent the last two hours watching Days and then GH. What a contrast: one show had me clapping and cheering and loving almost every single minute (I could have lived without thug Sonny behaving like a total jerk) and the other had me bored, frustrated, upset, bewildered.

    I haven’t enjoyed Days much at all this past week. I keep watching and I do so because I love the performers and their characters. But I find it all so boring. There isn’t even one storyline the moment that I find compelling and enjoyable. Maybe I am the only one who doesn’t like the possession storyline – Days goes back to the past differently than the other shows do imo – they do it because they seem bereft of new fresh ideas for their characters.

    I don’t want to watch Marlena whack Julie with a tray and threaten to harm Doug. If Bill Hayes wishes to retire, fine, he’s 96 years old, but I really don’t want anything bad happening to Doug, period.

    I enjoyed mildly Xander and Gwen’s plan to keep him out of prison but that was really the only thing this week I sort of enjoyed a little bit.

    I really dislike the Philip/Chloe/Brady story – bored out of my mind by it.

    I wanted Johnny’s movie to be about Hurricane Sami, not about Marlena and the devil possession. I felt it was great because we could see old Sami scenes during Alison Sweeney’s absence – and Sami was the reason I bothered to tune in every once in awhile back in the 1990’s-2000’s – before 2011 when Chandler Massey as Will Horton had me watching the show on a daily basis (and also all of my favorite shows were cancelled or just about cancelled by then – all of the New York based soaps).

    Days was my favorite of the remaining shows between 2011-18. And while I have loved a few of the storylines since then, especially the time jump story, Ron Carlivati’s time as headwriter has for me been less than stellar. GH has been my favorite show since 2018.

    There were some individual moments this past week that I enjoyed to one degree or another – the actors give their all and individual scenes can be very well written – but the overall storyline arcs just aren’t doing much for me these days on Days.

    Having watched soaps since I was a small child one thing I know for sure: a show that isn’t all that great CAN be turned around and be improved and even quickly. Better writing, better overall storylines, and with Days it would require less camp and melodrama and more dramatic storylines (the balance that I find on GH).

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    The thing that bothers me about the current possession story is that there’s no subtlety. Everyone is running around discussing Marlena’s possession like it’s a campy horror film. There was a gothic feel around the original story. I just knew Ron would butcher this. He revisited classic stories on OLTL and did not improve upon them.

    I get that writers cannot appease fans but Re-Ron is a spiteful one and he thinks he’s above the criticism. Everything is about pure camp. The other writers had to remind him that Ben killed Shane’s granddaughter. And Leo “meeting” Chad was another oversight. They had already met!

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    I was looking at the current ratings for Days and they are terrible. IDK how exactly they count the ratings these days and if it reflects accurately how many people are actually watching the show. But it’s still in fourth place, and it has actually lost viewers from last year at this time. I wondered if the possession storyline would help the ratings and so far it hasn’t. Of course I may be the only person who hates the possession storyline for all I know..

    I can’t really think of anything to say about yesterday’s episode. I was bored and dislike the storylines; that sums it up for me.

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    I’m not sure to what degree this makes up for the traditional viewer ratings, but DAYS has been saying for some time now how happy they are with the online viewership of the show, which I imagine is substantial. And after the show enticed its viewers over to Peacock with Beyond Salem, it wouldn’t surprise me if a good number of people have switched from delayed same-day viewing on a DVR to simply watching the show on Peacock, which is what I’ve been doing for the past month.

    I enjoyed yesterday’s show. The scenes with Abe and Chanel bonding were sweet, and I realized how much Chanel has grown on me as a character. I think Precious Way’s version of the character was a little more entertaining, but Raven Bowens makes the character more of a person I can connect to. I also liked Lani and Paulina’s conversation. Neither was anything earth-shattering, but they were good character scenes.

    With the possession story, but expectations were not very high, so I’ve been pleasantly surprised so far. I do agree, though, this does not have the same kind of feel as original story. It’s been said numerous times that Jim Reilly was a deeply religious person, and so the possession storyline was probably rooted in something deeper than just sensationalism for him. It feels like Ron is basically acting like Johnny in how he’s tackling the material, whereas Jim was more like John in terms of thinking of it seriously. Ron told Soap Opera Digest that Ken Corday and Albert Alaar came to him with this story idea, so they probably thought this would draw lapsed viewers or new viewers, which would not be my expectation for something like this. This is not the type of far-fetched material that’s done particularly well on soaps over the last couple of decades.

    I will say, though, it really strains belief that no one is considering that maybe Doug is right and Marlena is trying kill him or something similar. Not only have they all been talking about the time that Marlena was possessed by the devil, there is also the time when Marlena was hypnotized into being a serial killer and apparently murdered, among other people, Doug. They’ve also not long ago gotten through dealing with Stevano and Princess Gina, and that did include an attempt to mind control Marlena. My other issue at this point is that Julie should have more family and friends around given everything that’s happening. There are not a lot of Hortons on the canvas, or at least not many high-impact Hortons, but this is Shawn and Ciara’s grandfather, so at least they could be involved. One of the major weaknesses of this current regime is that they are not good at recognizing opportunities to draw characters together through story and fold their plots together in ways that enhance them. Neither Ciara/Ben nor Shawn/Belle have much of a story right now, so folding them into this would be a good way of giving the characters something to do in a way that makes sense.

    The EJ/Nicole stuff is kinda cute. EJ is better with her than he’s been with just about anyone else he’s had scenes with.

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    Hooray! Ring bells and celebrate: the return of Suzanne Rogers as Maggie Simmons Horton Kiriakis!!! (:

    Otherwise this episode was a snoozefest for me ):

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    Yes, so thrilled to have Suzanne Rogers and Maggie back on our screens after such a long absence, and very glad she’s recovered from the health issues she was having. I usually not a fan of killing characters off screen when it’s totally unnecessary, but I’m also glad Summer is dead. It’s mean I know, but what a horrendous character. Obviously if she were a real person, I’d be more sympathetic, but she’s not.

    I’m glad things are moving along with the Phillip/Gabi/Jake story with Phillip firing Gabi and making her choose between keeping Gabi Chic or Jake going to prison. I love love love if Gabi just decided her company was more important than her scrub of a boyfriend and let him go to prison.

    Speaking of prison, that fact that Gwen’s cockamamie plan to trap the judge seems to be working is quite absurd, but I do like Justin having to get a little more Kiriakis to use the situation to his advantage. At this point, Wally Kurth’s two characters are seeming extremely similar. Both are a fairly moral member of a wealthy and fairly amoral family, both have cheated on most recent wives, both are rather incompetent at their jobs, and both have been dabbling in the grey areas between good and bad. It’s a real credit to Wally that the characters don’t seem more similar.

    I guess it’s nice that the show had Steve, Kayla and Tripp do a little “get your flu shot” PSA (with an undercurrent of “get your vaccine” maybe), but Kayla and especially Steve really aren’t doing anything right now.

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