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  • EmmyLoser
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    The cast members Y&R is getting back for its anniversary is interesting. I just read that David Lago is making a return as Raul and Kelly Kruger as Mac. I loved David Lago/Raul back in the early 2000s, but I don’t even remember Kruger as Mac. (I only remember Ashley Bashioum and years later Clementine Ford in the role.) I’m curious to see what exactly these returning characters will be doing. Since I’ve only seen Jamie Lyn Bauer as Laura on DAYS, it’ll be fun watching her in her Y&R role from years prior to that.

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    I think Kelly Kruger played Mac around 2002-2004. I could be wrong, but when Kruger was Mac, her mom Amanda came into Genoa City and stayed with Katherine. Her abusive step-dad, Ralph, came to town and stalked them.

    I wonder if they can get Lauren Woodland to come back as Brittany? I forget how Brittany left the show and want to say Lauren went on to become a lawyer.

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    Y&R has always been good about drawing upon its history, but the nods to the past rarely go back any further than the 80s. This is understandable, since the original characters are all off the canvas now, with the exception of visits from Jill.

    During the 70s, the show centered mostly around the Brooks and Foster families. Their portrayers gradually left the show, and in the early 80s, the only remaining characters from the early years were Jill Foster Abbott and Katherine Chancellor.

    I always thought it would be nice to revisit the 70s history. The show has featured brief story arcs with Laurie Brooks and the Foster brothers, but it has been quite some time since they were on screen. I suppose it’s unreasonable to think that the Y&R would bring back these characters on a long-term basis, as they are not really connected to the current characters, with the exception of Jill, who is rarely ever on the show these days. But I think it would work to bring back some of their descendants as part of a plan to develop a younger set of characters, and that would justify the occasional return of the classic characters.

    One of the reasons why Laurie and Leslie Brooks were so popular is that they were both likable characters with rooting value. I still think that formula works best, rather than bringing on one-dimensional villains to create conflict. And of course the famed Katherine/Jill rivalry started in the 70s and played out for decades. That was always one of my favorite parts of the show.

    Although I am hoping that the anniversary guests have substantial dialogue and flashbacks, I applaud Y&R for even making the effort to bring them back. In particular, the characters of Leslie and Laurie Brooks evoke in me a strong sense of childhood nostalgia.

    It would be interesting to bring back Lauren Woodland as the character of Brittany is connected to characters still on the canvas such as Billy and JT. It’s also interesting that Kelly Kruger is returning for the anniversary. I remember her pretty well and I’m happy to see her return. She played opposite Ryan Brown as Billy, and aired during the time Jill found out that Katherine was her mother, a revelation later rewritten by Maria Bell. David Lago was always a big favorite of mine, so I am all for his return.

    On to today’s episode. When Chelsea was preparing to depart the apartment, all I could think was, please let her get out without Phyllis showing up. Lo and behold, we hear Phyllis’s strident voice on the other side of the door. Considering what Chelsea did to Sharon, I should not be rooting for her, right? It’s just that Phyllis annoys me that much. If it had been anybody else, I would have been fine.

    Billy: “Why is it so important to find Chelsea? Why don’t you just tell Nick about your gut feeling and walk away?” I know, right?

    Is Chelsea really planning to go into hiding while taking care of two young children? In today’s world, it’s very difficult to disappear due to technology. I would think that trying to disappear with two young children would be almost impossible. I do not care for this story, but it will be interesting to see how it’s resolved.

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    I just read that Lauren Woodland is returning as Brittany! It’s a glow by jabot reunion.

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    Robert Bruce
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    So good to hear that Lauren Woodland is, in fact, returning along with David Lago and Kelly Kruger. By the way, I loved the Glow by Jabot Summer House story! Of course, back then Billy was a teen and Phyllis was well into adulthood and worked with the teens on the campaign. I guess that is part of the reason I still struggle with Billy and Phyllis as a couple (and the fact that they are now, magically, the same age). I did a bit of research and learned that Woodland left the show in 2005. Wow. Where did that time go?

    Since Jeanne Cooper is no longer around to appear for the anniversary, I hope they have something planned in her honor. It would be great if they dedicated an episode to her. It could be narrated by Jill and include flashbacks from Cooper’s 40 years on the show. Jill and Nikki could tell Katherine’s story to the younger generation: Devon, Hillary, Billy, etc.

    One bit of obscure back story is that Jill was briefly married to Brock, Mackenzie’s father. It did not last long and was never consummated. To the best of my recollection, it was annulled. I honestly do not remember the circumstances, but it was in the very early years of the show and I’m sure it served to escalate the Katherine/Jill feud.

    In any case, I am actually looking forward to the week of March 26.

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    I finally had some time to watch Thursday and Friday’s episodes of Y&R. I enjoyed them. Chelsea on the run; Sharon knocked out; Mariah worried about Sharon and Nick reading the letter was great. Hopefully Y&R can keep it up.

    I liked the Glow by Jabot summer story, too. It is odd how Phyllis helped run it while Billy was a teen and now they’re the same age.

    I’m hoping they do something to remember Katherine, too. It’s weird to think Mrs. C. passed 5 years ago.

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    Y&R won’t air tmrw or Friday in the U.S. due to coverage of the NCAA Basketball tournament.

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    ^thanks gatorman for the heads up on this and I am sure it is also true for B&B. So it’s just Days and GH for the next two days…

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    I have followed the character of Ashley Abbott since she arrived in Genoa City in the early 80s. Eileen Davidson quickly became one of my favorites, and I advocated for her to receive an Emmy nomination as early as 1986. My Y&R viewership was sporadic in the 90s, but I was drawn back to the shown on a daily basis when Davidson returned to the show in 1999. The infamous sperm “donor” story was controversial, but I actually enjoyed it and felt that it worked mainly due to the way Davidson played it.

    Somewhere along the way, the character became problematic for writers as they could find neither a lasting romance nor a strong story for Ashley. Maria Bell reunited Victor and Ashley, which worked for a while, but did not last.

    However, when Eileen Davidson returned to Days, the writers experienced no such problems. She had off-the-charts chemistry with numerous co-stars and her presence electrified the show to the point where fans are still pining for the return of Kristin. And her Days appearance resulted in Davidson’s first Daytime Emmy Award.

    Back on Y&R, she was once again subject to lackluster storytelling. I did not complain, as I was happy just to have her back. But I could not help but wonder, if she was so hot on Days, why was Y&R unable to capture that fire?

    Evidently, Mal Young has been pondering the same question, because the character of Ashley has emerged in a big way. She now works for Newman, which makes no sense whatsoever. She gleefully antagonizes Victoria for no apparent reason. She is condescending, mean-spirited, narcissistic, and unforgiving.

    It’s understandable that she would be angry with Jack. But that leads to another sticking point: Jack would never use Ashley’s parentage against her. The scheme of setting up Ashley he might do, but not on top of the stunt he pulled with the “blood Abbott” clause. I also think that Victoria setting up Ashley is a stretch, but at least the build-up was reasonable. The way that Ashley spoke to Victoria was so rude that it’s no wonder she was driven to such measures.

    It’s true, Young was able to finally get Ashley out of her rut. And I am all for an empowered, prosperous, strong Ashley. But can’t a person be empowered and still be relatively nice? The subtlety of Ashley’s character appears to have been lost. I get that Kristen wasn’t nice and that was fun. But this interpretation of Ashley is rather jarring after following her for 35 years. It seems that Young was able to recognize an opportunity with the character of Ashley; that’s the part he got right. His mistake was forgetting that a long-running core character needs to maintain her rooting value. I truly hope that Ashley’s rooting value returns.

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    I actually enjoyed Ashley last year before Mal Young came in and started to destroy most of the show with one bad choice after another (however, I am loving Dina’s Alzheimer’s story but why on earth did they kill off Graham?). I understand what you are saying, but Mal Young has been ruining most of the characters and the show. It’s not good when the head-writer is also the EP! He has too much power and it’s destructive. Some episodes are superb though, but it’s very spotty. I actually thought Sussman and Alden had Ashley on the right track throughout 2017 when they were the writers (correct me gently if I am wrong about those names). I still root for Ashley, probably because I love the actress who portrays her so much, but I agree with your main point very much so!

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    I actually first saw Eileen Davidson during her stint as Kelly Capwell on Santa Barbara, before she came to DAYS as Kristen, where I love her (when she was sweet and naive), then kinda didn’t like her (when she first started leaning into the DiMera), and then really loved her (once she emerged as the Kristen we know and love today). It makes me think that a shift in the character could work, but it would have to feel believable in terms of happening over time and having a good reason. Although, Kristen had only been on DAYS a couple of years when she started to go dark, whereas Ashley has been around for so long that grand changes in characterization could be tough to swallow in any case. I also was enjoying what was happening with Ashley under the previous regime, and I hate that the genetics have become such a thing where it feels like this really should not have been the case, at least not between Ashley and Jack.

    Anyway, Ashley and ED have always been the number one reason I tuned into Y&R. I really dove back into the show in earnest when she returned in the later 2000s and was paired again with Victor, which was good until it wasn’t, and I’m almost never interested in watching the show when she’s not on. So, yeah, she’s certainly one of the more important characters to get right and keep rootable, at least in my book.

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    I remember that a different actress played Ashley for a few years and wasn’t very good in the role.

    I remember when Barbara on ATWT went “dark” – she had been one of the lead heroines for about 7 years. Douglas Marland had her go into a room, depressed, and when she came out she was a villainess from then on! (at least for the most part; a sympathetic villainess? LOL!) This was in 1987 I believe (maybe ’86) and was during the time that Hillary B Smith was playing Margo and Gregg Marx was playing Tom. Ashley has been around a much longer time though so I don’t feel it could work.

    I watch Y&R for Dina, Sharon, Ashley, and Mariah mostly.

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    Yeah, when I first watched Y&R, Shari Shattuck (I believe I got that right) was playing Ashley, and the character didn’t make much of an impression on me, though I thought it was cool that she was a chemist. It wasn’t until later that I realized what a big character Ashley had been and that Eileen Davidson had played her. At that time I just tuned in to see what all the hubbub was about.

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    I am wondering if anyone watched today’s episode (Thu., March 22)? I ask because I had very mixed feelings about the writing of the scenes for J.T. and Victoria – and the strange violnece that was quite frightening and came from Mal Young more than the character of J.T. – the two actors hit it out of the ballpark acting-wise but I am frustrated by the storyelling.

    On the other hand, the scenes with Marla, Eileen and Melissa soared into the stratosphere! The writing and acting were beyond brilliant! I simply adore the work that Marla Adams is doing and am enjoying it while it lasts, because I don’t think it will last all that much longer.

    Then there was the childish behavior of Jack and Victor ): The less said the better. Y&R is so frustrating – watchable and the acting is great but the stories are so often problematic, the decision making faulty.. what do others think?

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    I have mixed feelings about the story with JT and Victoria. While I cannot say that I like it, I do think that it has the potential to be very powerful. The story involves two front-burner, long-standing characters, which makes it much more compelling than assigning it to relatively minor or new characters. Luckinbill and Heinle are both strong actors, and thus far they are turning in excellent performances. While this behavior might not seem like the JT and Victoria we know, that is precisely the point — sometimes these situations involve the people we would least suspect of being involved in them. I am keeping an open mind to see how the story progresses.

    I also have mixed feelings about the Dina Alzheimer’s story. While I agree that Marla Adams is fabulous, the writing does not always resonate with me based on my own experience with people who have dementia.

    The term “mixed bag” comes to mind. I used to describe “Days” as a mixed bag until Carlivati’s work started airing and now it’s by far my favorite serial. “GH” was a mixed bag until the show became an embarrassment of missed opportunities and devolved into pretty much a non-stop mess. Now it’s “Y&R” that I would describe as a mixed bag of good and bad.

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