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  • EmmyLoser
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    ^^I had been assuming all along that Jack would turn out to be an Abbott in the end. The Chancellor angle felt like it could have legs, but then it was nixed. In the end, does anyone really want to see Jack be part of another family or outside of the Abbott family? He was written as so petulant when the news came out, like not only wasn’t he a blood Abbott, but also he had such a difficult time accepting even his own history as a person who was raised as an Abbott. It feels like the only reasonable outcome to me, but then I’ve thought this many times in the past about various storylines and have been shocked when a show instead did something I thought was crazy.

    I’ve only caught a few glimpses of Y&R over the past few weeks, and my only thoughts on what I’ve seen have been: 1. Mariah’s hair looks fantastic; 2. I’m not thrilled that Tessa is back; and 3. I kind of can’t believe how far they’re taking this thing with Lily and the fallout from Hilary’s death. I read some comments that Mal Young made a few weeks ago regarding Hilary’s death, saying that killing Hilary was a gift to Mishael Morgan, who had pretty much said to him that she was taking her shot at something bigger and wasn’t coming back, and that fans are praising the show for having a proper death for her that is real and lasting and has consequences. All of that seems like non-sense to me, especially the part about why Morgan was leaving the show and being certain about not coming back. It contrasts pretty starkly with her agent saying that they couldn’t reach a contract agreement because of money but that it wasn’t too late to change their minds.

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    alokin
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    I kind of can’t believe how far they’re taking this thing with Lily and the fallout from Hilary’s death. I read some comments that Mal Young made a few weeks ago regarding Hilary’s death, saying that killing Hilary was a gift to Mishael Morgan, who had pretty much said to him that she was taking her shot at something bigger and wasn’t coming back, and that fans are praising the show for having a proper death for her that is real and lasting and has consequences. All of that seems like non-sense to me, especially the part about why Morgan was leaving the show and being certain about not coming back. It contrasts pretty starkly with her agent saying that they couldn’t reach a contract agreement because of money but that it wasn’t too late to change their minds.

    There’s the question though (at least from my standpoint) if Mishael Morgan was being completely transparent as to why contract negotiations with Y&R had apparently broken off. That it was strictly a money issue and Y&R’s budget wouldn’t allow for the pay raise that Morgan was seeking can only be deemed speculation if the actress herself didn’t officially confirm that as being the primary reason. Because not long after her exit was confirmed by both parties, Morgan also announced that she was expecting. I’m sure her impending time off from the show and subsequent maternity leave factored in heavily during those contract talks and certainly influenced her decision to leave. Of course, there’s also the question of how Morgan’s real-life pregnancy would be addressed on the show canvas, ie. if it would be written into Hilary’s storyline? Perhaps the show already had long-term plans set for the character (that didn’t involve a pregnancy) or a future front-burner storyline in the works that would’ve called for Hilary’s on-screen presence exactly during Morgan’s proposed maternity leave. No doubt all these issues played a role and further complicated contract negotiations. Perhaps I’m playing devil’s advocate a bit, but it certainly appears to me that there may be a lot of truth to Mal Young’s comments, particularly that the show found the best solution and did Morgan a favor by writing Hilary out.

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    I appreciate you providing another perspective, alokin, though the mention of the pregnancy reminded me of another reason I found Young’s comments hard to swallow. Given the timing of the pregnancy announcement, it does seem clear she knew she was expecting while negotiations were going on. So it strikes me as especially unlikely that she thought that was the best time to break from a soap job to start auditioning for roles in areas where she isn’t known while pregnant. Hadn’t the show already written around a previous pregnancy for Morgan? I also thought how cool it would have been to keep Morgan around, since Hilary was pretty close to the stage of pregnancy that Morgan was, and they could have just used her natural progression to their advantage.

    I do realize that Sony, apparently, is tightening purse strings and Young and Y&R may have been powerless to actually meet any money-related contract demands Morgan may have had. But I also just don’t believe that the collective reaction from Hilary fans was appreciation or relief that the character was given such a final death, or that Morgan felt so sure about not returning to the show that killing the character off as they did was a gift to her.

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    Don’t know how true this is, but I read on another board that Doug Davidson (Paul) is gone. They dropped him to recurring and has a few episodes left (No air dates given). This saddens me. He’s been on Y&R for 40 plus years. One of my favorite actors. I realize he hasn’t had a story in ages, but given the material he always performs.

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    alokin
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    How unfortunate that Doug Davidson was taken off contract! Paul is also one of my favorite characters on Y&R. Hopefully, he will remain open to sticking around on a recurring basis until he is able to iron out a new contract with the show.

    And to clarify what I said earlier, I had interpreted the gift given to Mishael Morgan to mean that by not continuing the telling of Hilary’s story and recasting the role (and otherwise run the risk of alienating the audience from the character), the show is honoring Morgan’s legacy (and the audience’s memory of Hilary) and letting what she brought to the role stand on its own.

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    What is Christian LeBlanc’s status on the show? Is he on contract or recurring? he is hardly ever on any more.

    I haven’t been watching very much, pretty bored with the show at the moment. Love the actors but not the stories they are stuck in right now. I have watched a few minutes here and there the past few weeks but don’t really want to watch the show in it’s current state. Sad ):

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    ‘Exclusive: “Young and Restless” Star Doug Davidson Says He’s Been Fired After 40 Years’

    By Roger Friedman, September 11, 2018
    http://www.showbiz411.com/2018/09/11/exclusive-young-and-restless-star-doug-davidson-says-hes-been-fired-after-40-years

    Emmy winning actor Doug Davidson says he’s been fired from CBS’s “The Young and the Restless.” He’s played Paul Williams since 1978 and is the longest running actor on the show. He’s 63 and is considered the “captain” of the show.

    On Twitter in the last hour he conceded that he’d been let go, that the show’s producers are “going in a different direction.”

    “They are doing away with history,” he Tweeted to a fan. “It does hurt, to be honest.”

    (There is more text from the report. Refer to the link.)

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    This is so sad on so many different levels. Paul’s always been my favorite character. Doug was the longest running actor on the show (40 years…WOW!!!). It does make you wonder how much longer Y&R and B&B have until they’re completely off the air. Y&R had such promise at the beginning of the year, but it’s been so boring lately to me. The same characters on everyday in storylines I don’t care about.

    Not sure about Christian LeBlanc’ s status, or any of the other vets for that matter.

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    I was just reading an article on Daytime Confidential about Y&R’s ratings, how they’ve fluctuated as all soaps have, but they had a high at the end of July, during Hilary’s death week, of 4.51 million viewers and a low at the end of August of 3.47 million viewers, which does seems like an enormous shift. It’s concerning. It seems all of these exits coupled with some of what’s happening on screen are pushing viewers away.

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    FreemanGriffin
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    ^I personally haven’t been watching as much as I had earlier in the year. After Hillary’s death it has gone way down hill and I expect it go down further. Apparently Doug Davidson (Paul), the longest running performer on the show, has been let go ): Bad decisions keep on being made. It is a big mistake to have the EP also be the headwriter imo. When I have tuned in I haven’t enjoyed the show lately.

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    Right now, all three of the core families on Y&R are experiencing internal meltdowns. The Newman family has a long history of dysfunction, so that is more or less business as usual. The Abbotts were always close and now they are all cut-throats (except Traci, who is only on the show periodically). The Winters family has experienced an even worse meltdown, with Hilary now dead, Lily in prison, and Devon and Lily’s relationship badly damaged. It’s all very dark.

    I do not care for Tessa and Mariah’s story. The character of Tessa has been completely ruined by Mal Young and I just want the story to end. I hate seeing Camryn Grimes being wasted in a story that is unworthy of her talents.

    Worst of all is the gambling storyline. I hate, hate, hate it. I’m so ready to see Billy in a new story.

    I rarely carry on when an actor departs a soap, but I can’t get over Mishael Morgan’s departure. She is an excellent actress who accomplished the rare feat of becoming a key player on a soap canvas overflowing with veterans. Her departure was a loss on so many levels. Hilary was an intriguing character connected to so many others on the canvas. Additionally, daytime needs more racial diversity, not less. From my perspective, she was one of Y&R’s mvps. Yes, Morgan’s prospects are bright, but why close the door? Most popular soap stars leave for a while but eventually return. And now Christel Khalil has gone to recurring as well, which means that she will be mostly off the canvas.

    As for Doug Davidson’s departure, my biggest objection is the manner in which it was handled. He essentially was given the Genie Francis treatment. CBS may argue that he wasn’t fired, but he was. When you no longer have a full-time job and your employer says you are on-call as needed, that means you are fired. Why are we just now hearing about this in September when it happened in January? I understand that in today’s environment, producers have to sometimes make difficult decisions. But a more honest and honorable approach would have been to simply write off the character of Paul with a great closing story and 40 years of clips. CBS’s habit of just dropping actors to recurring and hoping the audience doesn’t notice is so shady. In any case, the only thing preventing Paul from having a good story is a lack of imagination on the part of the writers. Paul has 40 years of history on the show, yet the writers have written his character in a vacuum, mostly disconnected from the rest of the canvas.

    My boredom with Y&R increases by the day. The show seems to be mostly about rich, spoiled, nasty, entitled people who have very little rooting value. Y&R has traded substance for tabloid sensationalism, and has essentially lost its heart.

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    I was reading that Eileen Davidson’s last tape date is this week. IDK how much in advance Y&R tapes ahead of air dates; I am guessing that we won’t get any closure for Ashley and Dina, which I wanted to see, with the original actresses portraying the character (but we never get to see Dina anymore anyway).

    Y&R is falling apart completely imo. I watched a few minutes, felt alienated (yet another snarky scene between Phyllis and Summer turned me off), and didn’t wish to continue watching ):

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    A lot of excellent points as usual, robbalto. Even when I’m enjoying Y&R, I do find that many of the stories and issues characters are dealing with are hard to relate to because of just how much they are rich people problems: fighting over who gets to buys this company or that company, who’s going to run a family business, etc. Sometimes, like now, they really dig into this vibe and the show seems to have very little connection to its audience.

    The combination of Doug Davidson revealing that he was basically fired (and the way Y&R did it) as Eileen Davidson is filming her last episodes while, on air, Arturo’s family is going (I like Arturo, but definitely didn’t feel I needed his family to come in at this juncture) must be making fans pretty mad.

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    FreemanGriffin
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    Watching yesterday’s intervention episode two thoughts occur to me: Beth Maitland’s Traci is the MVP and how much I have never cared for Jason Thompson in the role of Billy, which is surprising because I loved him so much as Dr. Patrick Drake on GH. I was noticing how much I am not caring for these storylines. Sigh.

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    I was laughing at the ‘slow-mo’ camera work at the end of yesterday’s episode (: Nick and Sharon heading towards each other to tell their secrets before their wedding the next day. I have no idea how this will play out, there is suspense. Who will speak first? Or will we get soap opera interruptus? Looking forward to whatever happens!

    Other than that I enjoyed pretty much nothing. I especially dislike how snarky everyone is towards Sharon, a character I love. Those “toasts” were horrible and I didn’t find them entertaining – I LOVE SHARON! I have never understood the antipathy towards her.

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