December 16, 2017 at 8:38 am #1202441849
Hi y’all! I enjoy the Goldies. I know there have been criticisms over the years, voting totals were way down last year, but that has to do with less interest in daytime and less participants on our forums here on goldderby.
I would like the schedule to look like this: mid-January 3 weeks of voting for the first round (5 points for 1st, 3 points for 2nd, 2 points for 3rd); followed by 3 weeks of final round voting after the 4 nominees per category (more if there is a tie, as there was in Best Actor last year, and Supporting Actress had 6 nominees 2 years ago). Hopefully I will be able to find the rules post and copy it, and also the list of previous winners for Lifetime Achievement and the Legacy Award.
Did people like having the list of lead actors and lead actresses, which prevented what happened two years ago to Karla Mosley from happening, or do people want to go back to the old rules? Karla Mosley had gotten votes in both lead and supporting but not enough in either to be nominated. I think she probably would have been nominated if all of her votes were in one or the other category. Let me know what you think.
I am hoping we can get support from Daniel this year in letting people know that Goldies voting is happening. Perhaps if more than one of us gets in touch with him that might work?December 16, 2017 at 10:14 am #1202441927
Voting begins for this year’s Goldies, where we choose the best in daytime for 2017. Voting will commence on Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 7 p.m. EST and ends on Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 7 p.m. EST. The nominations will be announced on Sunday, January 28, 2018 and we will have another 3 week final voting round in all categories. (Series, Ensemble Cast, Casting, Directing and Writing have 4 automatic nominees, so we will not be voting in that category until the 2nd final round)
– in each category, select your top FOUR candidates, ranked from 1st to 4th. Your top choice will receive 5 points, your next choice will receive 3 points, your next choice will receive 2 points, and your last choice will receive 1 point.
– you may vote in as many categories as you like. If you vote in a category you MUST vote for 4 candidates or that category will not be counted.
– your ballot will be considered if it includes at least TWO soaps on it. This is to discourage voters from stacking the deck in favor of one particular soap. If you believe, for instance, that Days had the 4 best lead actresses, that’s fine, but don’t submit a ballot with 28 Days actors on it.
– Drama Series, Writing, Directing, Casting and Ensemble are NOT included among the categories for voting in the first phase of voting – this is the nominating phase – they are default nominees for the final round of voting – that round will last 3 weeks immediately after this phase.
– Send your ballot to me (FreemanGriffin) via private message.
– FYC’s are o.k. but DO NOT post your entire ballot in the thread.
– You will receive a private message acknowledging receipt of your ballot ASAP.
Lead Actor (choose your top 4 from this list of actors):
MAURICE BENARD (Sonny, General Hospital)
PETER BERGMAN (Jack, The Young and the Restless)
ERIC BRAEDEN (Victor, The Young and the Restless)
SCOTT CLIFTON (Liam, The Bold and the Beautiful)
DON DIAMONT (Bill, The Bold and the Beautiful)
BILLY FLYNN (Chad, Days Of Our Lives)
DANIEL GODDARD (Cane, The Young and the Restless)
ROGER HOWARTH (Franco, General Hospital)
THORSTEN KAYE (Ridge, The Bold and the Beautiful)
ERIC MARTSOLF (Brady, Days Of Our Lives)
JOHN McCOOK (Eric, The Bold and the Beautiful)
BILLY J MILLER (Jason/Drew, General Hospital)
STEPHEN NICHOLS (Steve, Days Of Our Lives)
FREDDIE SMITH (Sonny, Days Of Our Lives)
JAMES PATRICK STUART (Valentin, General Hospital)
JASON THOMPSON (Billy, The Young and the Restless)
Lead Actress (choose your top 4 from the following actresses)
KRISTIAN ALFONSO (Hope, Days Of Our Lives)
SHARON CASE (Sharon, The Young and the Restless)
EILEEN DAVIDSON (Ashley, The Young and the Restless)
MARY BETH EVANS (Kayla, Days Of Our Lives)
NANCY LEE GRAHN (Alexis, General Hospital)
DEIDRE HALL (Marlena and Hattie, Days Of Our Lives)
AMELIA HEINLE (Victoria, The Young and the Restless)
COURTNEY HOPE (Sally, The Bold and the Beautiful)
JACQUELINE MacINNES WOOD (Steffy, The Bold and the Beautiful)
KELLY MONACO (Sam, General Hospital)
RENA SOFER (Quinn, The Bold and the Beautiful)
GINA TOGNONI (Phyllis, The Young and the Restless)
HEATHER TOM (Katie, The Bold and the Beautiful)
MAURA WEST (Ava, General Hospital)
LAURA WRIGHT (Carly, General Hospital)
ARIANNE ZUCKER (Nicole, Days Of Our Lives)
Supporting Actor (choose your top 4 from any actors not on the Lead Actor or Younger Actor list)
Supporting Actress (choose your top 4 from any actresses who are not on the Lead Actress or Younger Actress list)
Younger Actor (25 and under during 2017) (choose your top 4)
LUCAS ADAMS (Tripp, Days Of Our Lives)
NICHOLAS BECHTEL (Spencer, General Hospital)
ROME FLYNN (Zende, The Bold and the Beautiful)
PIERSON FODE (Thomas, The Bold and the Beautiful)
NOAH ALEXANDER GERRY (Charlie, The Young and the Restless)
JAMES LASTOVIC (Joey, Days Of Our Lives)
TRISTAN LAKE LEABU (Reed, The Young and the Restless)
MICHAEL LEONE (Cameron, General Hospital)
CASEY MOSS (J.J., Days Of Our Lives)
TEQUAN RICHMOND (T.J., General Hospital)
GARREN STITT (Oliver, General Hospital)
ANTHONY TURPEL (R.J., The Bold and the Beautiful)
HUDSON WEST (Jake, General Hospital)
Younger Actress (25 and under during 2017) (vote for your top 4)
LEXI AINSWORTH (Kristina, General Hospital)
FELISHA COOPER (Sasha, The Bold and the Beautiful)
REIGN EDWARDS (Nicole, The Bold and the Beautiful)
HAYLEY ERIN (Kiki, General Hospital)
CAIT FAIRBANKS (Tessa, The Young and the Restless)
SCARLETT FERNANDEZ (Charlotte, General Hospital)
COURTNEY GROSBECK (Coco, The Bold and the Beautiful)
GABRIELLE HAUGH (Jade, Days Of Our Lives)
OLIVIA ROSE KEEGAN (Claire, Days Of Our Lives)
VICTORIA KONEFAL (Ciara, Days Of Our Lives)
CHLOE LANIER (Nelle, General Hospital)
ALYVIA ALYN LIND (Faith, The Young and the Restless)
EDEN McCOY (Josslyn, General Hospital)
HALEY PULLOS (Molly, General Hospital)
BROOKLYN RAE SILZER (Emma, General Hospital)
LEXIE STEVENSON (Maddie, The Young and the Restless)
Limited/Guest Performance (vote for 4 performers)
For suggestions to help you with this category please see the first post in the thread Potential Limited/Guest Performer nominees for Goldies consideration
Lifetime Achievement (for a living individual – previous winners are ineligible):
Legacy Award (for a deceased individual – previous winners are ineligible):
WILLIAM J BELL
Please let everyone you know that it is time to vote for our Goldies nominations for the best in daytime 2017!December 17, 2017 at 4:34 pm #1202442763
I think it’s better that the Lead Actor and Actress eligibility is pre-determined. That way we do not have to worry about vote splitting between categories. I would rather place an actor in a category placement I disagree with than to throw away a vote due to category splitting.
Question: can we vote for five nominations instead of three? For scoring, we could simply reverse the points, so that our first choice gets 5 points, second choice gets 4, third place gets 3, etc. Since we wind up with five nominations, it seems logical to submit five names rather than three, and it will be a lot easier to narrow down the list to five. I really struggled with 3 last year in some categories.December 17, 2017 at 4:44 pm #1202442774
What do people think of these four for Lead Actress from each show?
B&B: Courtney Hope (Sally), Jacqueline MacInnes Wood (Steffy), Rena Sofer (Quinn) and Heather Tom (Katie)
Days: Kristian Alfonso (Hope), Mary Beth Evans (Kayla), Deidre Hall (Marlena and Hattie), and Arianne Zucker (Nicole)
GH: Nancy Lee Grahn (Alexis), Kelly Monaco (Sam), Maura West (Ava), and Laura Wright (Carly)
Y&R: Sharon Case (Sharon), Eileen Davidson (Ashley), Amelia Heinle (Victoria), and Gina Tognoni (Phyllis)
For Best Actor:
B&B: Scott Clifton (Liam), Don Diamont (Bill), Thorsten Kaye (Ridge), and John McCook (Eric)
Days: Billy Flynn (Chad), Eric Martsolf (Brady), Stephen Nichols (Steve), and Freddie Smith (Sonny)
GH: Maurice Benard (Sonny), Roger Howarth (Franco), Billy J Miller (“Jason”/Drew), and James Patrick Stuart (Valentin)
Y&R: Peter Bergman (Jack), Eric Braeden (Victor), Daniel Goddard (Cane), and Jason Thompson (Billy)
As for the 2nd part: my only worry would be if we expanded it to 5 would we wind up with massive ties in the voting?
December 17, 2017 at 5:06 pm #1202442780
- This reply was modified 1 month ago by FreemanGriffin.
Freeman, I think the selection of actors and actresses you listed for Lead looks good!
As for the potential expansion to five, I do not think it would result in more ties. I’m not a statistician, but I think a five-point system would be less likely to result in a tie than a three-tier system. I will have to check into this. I hate ties!December 18, 2017 at 5:03 am #1202443147
^are you also suggesting we expand the nominees from 4 to 5 nominees?December 18, 2017 at 9:27 am #1202443302
I’m definitely in favor of designating who the leads are to avoid splitting votes! And I think the lists you’ve suggested look great. Though, the actress who plays Sally on B&B is Courtney Hope, not Hunt, I believe.
In terms of distinguishing between supporting and guest/limited performers, is there some rule or particular guidance we’re using to do that? When I look at DAYS over the course of the year, some people (Christie Clark, Austin Peck, Leann Hunley, Morgan Fairchild, Meredith Scott Lynn, Robert Scott Wilson, Paul Telfer) would clearly fall under guest or limited, while others, like Alison Sweeney, who was on nearly every episode for two months; Charles Shaughnessy, who played Shane and Drew in totally separate storylines on opposite sides of the show; and Eileen Davidson, who played out a major arc and ultimately appeared as Kristen and Mary Moira in addition to Susan, might fall into supporting. I don’t know that we need to make lists, and maybe we should just discuss people we feel are up in the air, but just thinking there could be some discrepancy. Actually, it might also be helpful for us to start compiling a list of the guest performers from each show. There are so many!December 18, 2017 at 9:41 am #1202443308
I personally regard anyone who was on for a limited amount of time, whether as a short-term guest or a returning performer eligible for Guest/Limited Performer, but that’s just me. I see Ali Sweeney as a Guest/Limited Performer, and the same for Eileen Davidson, Charles Shaugnessy, etc. I can’t really remember well who the guest performers were on B&B, GH, and Y&R this year (I often get confused as to appearances at the end of one year and the beginning of another). If there is consensus about it I will go along with whatever others are thinking.December 18, 2017 at 10:13 am #1202443357
That seems fair to me.
Also, I would suggest we could break ties, if they occur, by looking at the number of first-place votes and ranking the person with more of those ahead of the person with less.December 19, 2017 at 3:58 pm #1202444738
So my intention was that our number of individual nominees match that of the awards. I was thinking that there were five rather than four nominations, and that is why I proposed submitting five names instead of three. I was thinking that the number of individual name submissions could match the number nominated by us collectively.
In any case, I checked with a friend who teaches statistics and she confirmed that you are correct, Freeman. My system is statistically more likely to result in ties. I’m not sure why, but I defer to the experts.
So it might be best to keep the current system. But if you wanted to increase the number of individual submissions to four, you could use the backward scoring system I suggested (4 points for 1st place, 3 points for 2nd place, etc) and use EmmyLoser’s idea for breaking ties. Actually, I think we should use EmmyLoser’s suggestion for breaking ties regardless.
But ultimately it’s up to you, Freeman, since you do the work, which I greatly appreciate! I am fine with whatever you decide.
As for the Guest/Limited Run, I agree that anyone who had a defined limited run should go into that category. So I would include Ali Sweeney in that category, even though she aired frequently during her run. In contrast, I would place recurring actors in supporting. So, for example, I would place Wally Kurth in supporting because he aired on and off throughout the year.December 20, 2017 at 10:50 am #1202445380
^those sound like good suggestions (: We will increase the number of performers we vote for to four in each category and see how it goes! (:January 5, 2018 at 8:44 pm #1202457429
I am bumping this up. I have made some changes to my 2nd post on this thread, including an up to date ballot. If there are any names I have missed or mistakes please let me know. I am still working on the Guest/Limited Performer category, which I will update once I put up the official ballot/voting begins post on Sunday.