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    Tyler The Awesome Guy
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    May the best of your todays be the worst of your tomorrows.

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    Stop spamming this forum with your fake apologies and vile homophobia. We have our hands full dealing with judgmental attitudes and hatred in our everyday lives, there’s no need to bring that shit here. This needs to be a space where no-one has to feel judged or hated because of who they are. Thanks and have fun growing up.

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    And how do you know whether my apology is fake or not? Are you me? Did you live my life?

    You didn’t actually apologize for anything. You played the victim card by blaming others for “taking matters out of hand” and “out of context” (which didn’t even happen by the way – people quoted your words verbatim, at least have the decency to own the insults you typed) and then slapped us with lengthy quotes from the Bible explaining why you don’t approve of homosexuality – in other words, keeping up the exact same hateful rhetoric you were called out for in the original thread.

    That’s a lot of things, all of them uncalled for and hurtful, but an apology it’s not.

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    Why did I say “I’m sorry if what I said was hurtful” if it was not an apology?

    That sentence is the very definition of a non-apology. You haven’t actually shown any resentment or willingness to rethink your views; instead, you went on a defence mode and kept on explaining in an even greater detail why you don’t approve of LGBTQI people.

    In fact why don’t you read the third-to-last paragraph where I said I was sorry and that I legitimately wished anyone currently on CMBYN all the best in the awards season?

    I don’t see how this makes anything that you said any less hurtful.

    And how is quoting The Bible hateful?

    It isn’t, unless it’s done in the purpose of explaining a person that they are inferior to other people – a bit like quoting passages from Mein Kampf and reading them to a Jew.

    People have gone out of their way to explain to you why what you said was blatantly hateful and doesn’t belong in this forum, and you have shown no willingness to learn. One thing I’m glad of is you’ve promised to never touch the subject again – I hope you can keep your word because GoldDerby needs to be a safe and welcoming place for everyone regardless of who they are.

    That’s all from me. Once more, have fun growing up.

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    Let’s make one thing clear: that was not an apology. Your rhetoric about being the worst person ever is obviously playing the victim and your last statement about saying mean things back is another example of that. In this post I’m going to be defending you a little bit so I needed to get this little stipulation out of the way. I thought that was petty and if you really wanted to apologize I think there were several opportunities and alternative methods to go about doing so. The fact that you responded to comments after you declared you wanted to move on from the issue shows that.

    But this forum topic has created one of the most hateful environments I have ever seen on Gold Derby. From both sides. Because, Tyler, as much as I vehemently disagree what you said I can’t help but feel a little bad that your character was attacked in this way. I don’t think what you said makes you inherently hateful. I can condemn your statements while still acknowledging that you were met with a rather hyperbolic response.

    However, although I don’t think you are hateful I think you are intolerant. I think that you would agree with that because you have decided to view homosexuals the way you interpret the Bible. While not inherently hateful that is inherently intolerant. I think in these instances we need to be careful with our language. Although I am not a religious person myself I can respect your devotion to your teachings. Your reasonings, while completely flawed in logic, are legitimate. As far as I’m concerned, your beliefs aren’t hurting anyone because you are not actively trying to persecute homosexuals. I didn’t take offense to what you said and I am a homosexual. I’ve heard real homophobia and it is much more vile and personal in nature. You condemned homosexuality, provided reasoning, and I wholeheartedly believed that you weren’t setting out to hurt anyone.

    You were wrong about one thing though: Being gay is not a choice. You can’t control who you are attracted to. Good for you if you are automatically attracted to everyone and everything and just decide whenever you want but that’s not how it works for most of us. I’ve always resented the notion that being gay is a lifestyle, because you can have two gay people from very different backgrounds and lifestyles and they are both gay.

    So I have a problem with your reasoning and interpretation of the Bible. Like Teridax pointed out, if people could just control their urges then everyone would be straight. That’s a much easier way to be. But that’s not the reality. And to say that you can just control your urges and control your attractions whenever you want shows an ignorance to reality. But if those logical fallacies are how you choose to live your life (that is an actual lifestyle choice, by the way) there’s nothing I can do about that and I don’t think you were trying to hurt anyone, even if you need to work on your apology skills.

    Sorry for chiming in at the last second. I know my opinion is going to be controversial, but I think it is valuable to hear different perspectives. But most of all, I don’t want GoldDerby to become a place where disagreements escalate to this level. I know it is a delicate topic of conversation and people have very strong opinions but I strive for civility in these forums.

    Have a nice day, everyone.

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    Don’t, please. I am done.

    May the best of your todays be the worst of your tomorrows.

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    Good riddance.

    Self-awareness is a powerful thing.

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    What did I miss?

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    What did I miss?

    You don’t want to know. Basically I am a pariah.

    May the best of your todays be the worst of your tomorrows.

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    Ok then.

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