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I take the point, but they’re wildly different scenarios. Williams really just made it more difficult and sacrificed an easy win for herself and when you think about it, she’d probably have denied Hsu a spot in BSA and denied Bassett the win there, so the backlash would probably have been more severe. I also don’t think the majority of people are as angry at Riseborough herself (good performance, great actress) as they are at the film’s campaign more broadly and Frances Fisher specifically for directly sabotaging Davis and Deadwyler. Williams did nothing remotely as bad taste as that.
Thats my point though – it’s pointless to assign blame for hypothetical scenarios which we have no certainty about whether or not Deadwyler would have been the beneficiary of. It’s also very naive for anyone to expect any of these actors to not campaign so hard or go in a particular category for the sake of another performer; they want a nomination for themselves and that’s okay lol! Also, I kinda disagree about people not being angry at Riseborough because I’ve seen a lottt of vitriol directed her way.
Thats my point though – it’s pointless to assign blame for hypothetical scenarios which we have no certainty about whether or not Deadwyler would have been the beneficiary of. It’s also very naive for anyone to expect any of these actors to not campaign so hard or go in a particular category for the sake of another performer; they want a nomination for themselves and that’s okay lol! Also, I kinda disagree about people not being angry at Riseborough because I’ve seen a lottt of vitriol directed her way.
Babe, we all know this place turned into Salem Witch Trials with most of them claiming she orchestrated and begged for votes as if the other contenders didn’t. The delusion, entitlement and hypocrisy here continues…
FYC:
Zar Amir Ebrahimi - Holy Spider (Best Actress)
Ana de Armas, Julianne Nicholson - Blonde (Best Actress, Supporting Actress)
Samantha Morton - She Said (Best Supporting Actress)
Kerry Condon - The Banshees of Inisherin (Best Supporting Actress)As we know, this century Saoirse is the only person with lead actress noms in 3 BP nominees. Looking into the fields this century, looks like Winslet’s the only one who plausibly would join her if there was an expanded category the whole time. Little Children – wtg/s actor noms; Drama globe nom. Sunshine – wtg winner; Bafta bp/bd nom, Globe bp nom. I wonder if Lee will join, or if enough people will still be upset in a year with the Riseborough situation even with possible strong reviews.
Agreed with the point that both Little Children and Eternal Sunshine would have gotten into expanded lineups.
Wrt Lee, I doubt Riseborough will be the main focus when the Lead is a 7 time Oscar nominee and the supporting cast aside from Riseborough includes an Oscar winner, two Emmy winner among others. I do have low hopes for the film in general mainly because it seems like a normal biopic of sort which I don’t think the critics will be eager.
Babe, we all know this place turned into Salem Witch Trials with most of them claiming she orchestrated and begged for votes as if the other contenders didn’t. The delusion, entitlement and hypocrisy here continues…
Omg I forgot about the conspiracy theory era lol
Williams really just made it more difficult and sacrificed an easy win for herself and when you think about it, she’d probably have denied Hsu a spot in BSA and denied Bassett the win there, so the backlash would probably have been more severe.
Hsu or possibly Chau, yes. And yes, if she last minute switched it’d look desperate. While she has only gone one way the whole time, regardless if internet ppl have whined about how they wanted her to go supporting. When even lead winners have had less screentime than her.
Hsu or possibly Chau, yes. And yes, if she last minute switched it’d look desperate. While she has only gone one way the whole time, regardless if internet ppl have whined about how they wanted her to go supporting. When even lead winners have had less screentime than her.
This is not attack at all, but just a genuine question of curiosity, what lead winners have had less screentime than Michelle in the past?
From what I gathered, Michelle has only 34% of screentime. She is not even close to appearing in 50% of the movie. She appears in 52 minutes out of the 152 running time. Thus, the lead campaign is incredibly odd to me. Her nomination is the very epitome of category fraud, and took a spot that should have been given to Deadwyler or Davis.
This is not attack at all, but just a genuine question of curiosity, what lead winners have had less screentime than Michelle in the past? From what I gathered, Michelle has only 34% of screentime. She is not even close to appearing in 50% of the movie. She appears in 52 minutes out of the 152 running time. Thus, the lead campaign is incredibly odd to me. Her nomination is the very epitome of category fraud, and took a spot that should have been given to Deadwyler or Davis.
louise, luise, patricia, nicole, frances, simone, julie, kate, reese, faye. so not even bottom 10.
also, if you want to talk davis, at 35% she has more than davis, now and in davis’s 2 nominated leads. 33%, 32%, 28%.
the epitome of category fraud is always going supporting for an easier win. in almost no year is it easier to win in lead.
This is not attack at all, but just a genuine question of curiosity, what lead winners have had less screentime than Michelle in the past? From what I gathered, Michelle has only 34% of screentime. She is not even close to appearing in 50% of the movie. She appears in 52 minutes out of the 152 running time. Thus, the lead campaign is incredibly odd to me. Her nomination is the very epitome of category fraud, and took a spot that should have been given to Deadwyler or Davis.
In terms of screen time, 29 women won for performances shorter than hers (10 of which also had a lower percentage):
Patricia Neal – Hud (1963) / 21:51
Louise Fletcher – One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest (1975) / 22:37
Nicole Kidman – The Hours (2002) / 23:30
Frances McDormand – Fargo (1996) / 26:29
Luise Rainer – The Great Ziegfeld (1936) / 35:43
Simone Signoret – Room at the Top (1959) / 38:07
Janet Gaynor – Sunrise (1928) / 41:05
Kate Winslet – The Reader (2008) – 41:55
Faye Dunaway – Network (1976) / 42:02
Katharine Hepburn – Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner (1967) / 43:26
Bette Davis – Dangerous (1935) / 43:49
Katharine Hepburn – Morning Glory (1933) / 44:14
Jane Wyman – Johnny Belinda (1948) / 44:42
Sally Field – Places in the Heart (1984) / 45:14
Grace Kelly – The Country Girl (1954) / 45:46
Reese Witherspoon – Walk the Line (2005) / 46:23
Julie Andrews – Mary Poppins (1964) / 46:37
Cher – Moonstruck (1987) / 46:57
Helen Mirren – The Queen (2006) / 47:15
Marie Dressler – Min and Bill (1931) / 47:52
Halle Berry – Monster’s Ball (2001) / 49:13
Olivia Colman – The Favourite (2018) / 49:48
Glenda Jackson – Women in Love (1970) / 50:03
Katharine Hepburn – On Golden Pond (1981) / 50:08
Jennifer Lawrence – Silver Linings Playbook (2012) / 50:14
Gwyneth Paltrow – Shakespeare in Love (1998) / 50:16
Kathy Bates – Misery (1990) / 50:53
Diane Keaton – Annie Hall (1977) / 51:42
Jodie Foster – The Acccused (1988) / 51:44And on the flip side, the supporting winners in at least one-third of their film, are all first time nominees with the sole exception of Viola Davis, who rightfully was apprehensive of the lily-white winning lineup in lead actress. Most of them never got nominated again (i.e. sorvino, saint, astor…)
Michelle Williams obviously wouldn’t have the excuse of this being her first and possibly only shot, and she doesn’t face the consequences of institutional bias, so I’d find her going supporting more dubious.
And on the flip side, the supporting winners in at least one-third of their film, are all first time nominees with the sole exception of Viola Davis, who rightfully was apprehensive of the lily-white winning lineup in lead actress. Most of them never got nominated again (i.e. sorvino, saint, astor…) Michelle Williams obviously wouldn’t have the excuse of this being her first and possibly only shot, and she doesn’t face the consequences of institutional bias, so I’d find her going supporting more dubious.
With Davis in The Woman King, she plays the titular role, so even with the less screentime, there is an argument for lead.
But take away the screentime conversation.
So in your opinion, Michelle Williams is a lead in The Fabelmans? The role seems to be a conventional and traditional supporting character. The movie does not even centre her character.
And on the flip side, the supporting winners in at least one-third of their film, are all first time nominees with the sole exception of Viola Davis, who rightfully was apprehensive of the lily-white winning lineup in lead actress. Most of them never got nominated again (i.e. sorvino, saint, astor…) Michelle Williams obviously wouldn’t have the excuse of this being her first and possibly only shot, and she doesn’t face the consequences of institutional bias, so I’d find her going supporting more dubious.
Also like, you’re the number one actor on the call sheet for a Spielberg movie, with a near hour-long performance and you have 4 previous Oscar nominations, obviously you’re going to want to be nominated for lead.
yes, a movie can have multiple leads, one who has much more screentime than another. see reese witherspoon, forest whitaker, etc.
if you want epitome of fraud, look at cate blanchett in notes on a scandal. or cate blanchett’s co-star rooney mara in carol.
yes, a movie can have multiple leads, one who has much more screentime than another. see reese witherspoon, forest whitaker, etc. if you want epitome of fraud, look at cate blanchett in notes on a scandal. or cate blanchett’s co-star rooney mara in carol.
I guess I am still not sold nor convinced, in her placement. Given the fact, Williams being put in Best Actress is still contentious and debated by many, proves that I am not the only one.
When you have Danielle Deadwyler who is undoubtely the lead of her film being snubbed, while Williams is in, eyebrows should be raised.
Sine if y’all are bending over BACKWARDS to deny the fact that Andrea took Danielle’s spot lmao. Based on pre-cursors it’s a fact that line-ups were fitting Williams in with Davis/deadwyler. It may be hypothetical but it’s extremely likely that Deadwyler was the one who got burned because of Andrea’s campaign. Yes, it’s a problem with the Academy overall that performances like Williams can slide into lead over performances like Deadwyler’s but it’s a simple statement: Andrea took Danielle’s spot.
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- SEVEN OSCARS
- BEST PICTURE
- Michelle Yeoh, Best Actress
- Ke Huy Quan, Best Supporting Actor
- Jamie Lee Curtis, Best Supporting Actress
- Daniel Kwan & Daniel Scheinert, Best Director & Best Original Screenplay
- Paul Rogers, Best Film EditingFYC (TV):
- Abbott Elementary
- House of the Dragon
- The White Lotus
- The Last of Uswell, if you think a movie can only have one lead, then viola would be a 0 time lead nominee.
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