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    BenitoDelicias
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    It seemed inevitable that the contagion would spread from TV to film…”if it’s on Netflix, it HAS to be good”. Even if it isn’t. Or isn’t seen by anyone except the Hollywood guilds. A riotously scandalous Brinks job.

    How is this different than “if Kristen Bell is in it, it HAS to be good/win/deserves/everything else sucks”?

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    How is this different than “if Kristen Bell is in it, it HAS to be good/win/deserves/everything else sucks”?

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    Fanship for KB is a leap too far….
    Can’t act, can’t sing, an idiot and a Dullard.
    Plain enough.

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    Oh god! I totally forgot Bell was in Frozen!
    Thats’s why Guest is defending it!

     

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    Fanship for KB is a leap too far….
    Can’t act, can’t sing, an idiot and a Dullard.
    Plain enough.

    . Agreed on the acting but she can sing even I admit that. Don’t get the big deal about her tbh

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    The real question is, if Toy Story 4 gets upset, which film will it be: Missing Link, Klaus, or I Lost my Body? I feel like all 3 have a chance now.

    Every Oscar winner for Best Animated Feature has also been nominated (and most have won) at BAFTA. The only films nominated at both this year are Toy Story 4 and Klaus. BAFTA also nominated Frozen II and Shaun the Sheep Movie: Farmageddon.

    Here is a list of all Oscar winners for Best Animated Feature since 2006 (when BAFTA and the Golden Globes both introduced their animated categories), and how they fared at the precursors (winners in Bold, nominees in regular typeface):

    2006 – Happy FeetBAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA
    2007 – RatatouilleBAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA
    2008 – WALL-EBAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA
    2009 – UpBAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA
    2010 – Toy Story 3BAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA
    2011 – RangoBAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA
    2012 – BraveBAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA
    2013 – FrozenBAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA
    2014 – Big Hero 6 – BAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA
    2015 – Inside OutBAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA
    2016 – Zootopia – BAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA
    2017 – CocoBAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA
    2018 – Spider-Man: Into the Spider-VerseBAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA

    So far, every winner for Best Animated Feature at the Oscars has been nominated for the top prize at ALL of the major precursors: BAFTA, the Golden Globes, Annie, the Producers Guild, and Critics Choice.

    As a reminder, here are how this year’s Oscar nominees have fared at these precursors:

    Toy Story 4PGA, CC, Annie, GG, BAFTA
    How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World – PGA, CC, Annie, GG (no BAFTA)
    Missing Link – PGA, CC, Annie, GG (no BAFTA)
    I Lost My Body – CC, Annie [ind.] (no PGA, GG or BAFTA)
    KlausAnnie, BAFTA (no PGA, GG or CC)

    While Toy Story 4 hasn’t been sweeping the precursors with wins like it should be, it is the only movie to be nominated at every precursor, which is important.

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    Every Oscar winner for Best Animated Feature has also been nominated (and most have won) at BAFTA. The only films nominated at both this year are Toy Story 4 and Klaus. BAFTA also nominated Frozen II and Shaun the Sheep Movie: Farmageddon. Here is a list of all Oscar winners for Best Animated Feature since 2006 (when BAFTA and the Golden Globes both introduced their animated categories), and how they fared at the precursors (winners in Bold, nominees in regular typeface): 2006 – Happy FeetBAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA 2007 – RatatouilleBAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA 2008 – WALL-EBAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA 2009 – UpBAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA 2010 – Toy Story 3BAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA 2011 – RangoBAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA 2012 – BraveBAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA 2013 – FrozenBAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA 2014 – Big Hero 6 – BAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA 2015 – Inside OutBAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA 2016 – Zootopia – BAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA 2017 – CocoBAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA 2018 – Spider-Man: Into the Spider-VerseBAFTA, GG, Annie, CC, PGA So far, every winner for Best Animated Feature at the Oscars has been nominated for the top prize at ALL of the major precursors: BAFTA, the Golden Globes, Annie, the Producers Guild, and Critics Choice. As a reminder, here are how this year’s Oscar nominees have fared at these precursors: Toy Story 4PGA, CC, Annie, GG, BAFTA How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World – PGA, CC, Annie, GG (no BAFTA) Missing Link – PGA, CC, Annie, GG (no BAFTA) I Lost My Body – CC, Annie [ind.] (no PGA, GG or BAFTA) KlausAnnie, BAFTA (no PGA, GG or CC) While Toy Story 4 hasn’t been sweeping the precursors with wins like it should be, it is the only movie to be nominated at every precursor, which is important.

    So Klaus is the favorite to upset then? I’m not super knowledgeable when it comes to this category, so thanks for the info.

    I’m still not sure if Toy Story 4 loses the Oscar, but I am predicting Klaus to win BAFTA. They don’t heavily favor Disney films (Lego Movie and Kubo both won there), and Klaus being Spanish gives it an advantage with International voters.

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    No one seems to want to address how Klaus couldn’t even win its own country’s Animated Film Spanish Academy Goya. None of you find that odd? I’ve moved on from this, but it appears it doesn’t matter to most people who post here. It’s gonna take the Annies a few years to live this one down.

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    I guess we have a massive difference of opinion on giving moviegoers credit for going to see good movies and shying away from the stink bombs that make the Razzie lists, for example.

    Sequels hardly ever outdo the original, finance-wise, domestically or globally. If Frozen II were as much a stink bomb as you suggest it is, then the original’s domestic and global b.o. standard would remain intact. But it hit a nerve, and enough people got behind it not just here, but around the world, to do the unthinkable; out-earn the original movie. I can’t remember off the top of my head other sequels that outdrew their inaugural films.

    In closing, what we have here is a pretty significant disconnect between the real world and the insulated world of Hollywood guilds. The Annies decided, with hilariously disastrous results, to go full Indie Spirits last night.

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    I guess we have a massive difference of opinion on giving moviegoers credit for going to see good movies and shying away from the stink bombs that make the Razzie lists, for example. Sequels hardly ever outdo the original, finance-wise, domestically or globally. If Frozen II were as much a stink bomb as you suggest it is, then the original’s domestic and global b.o. standard would remain intact. But it hit a nerve, and enough people got behind it not just here, but around the world, to do the unthinkable; out-earn the original movie. I can’t remember off the top of my head other sequels that outdrew their inaugural films. In closing, what we have here is a pretty significant disconnect between the real world and the insulated world of Hollywood guilds. The Annies decided, with hilariously disastrous results, to go full Indie Spirits last night.

    So does that mean Transformers 3 is a masterpiece because it made more than the first two? Sequels make more than the original film all the time. Frozen 2 isn’t special in that regard.

    Frozen 2 made all that money because of the initial film’s success. It’s popularity endured and grew in the time since the sequel came out, which means that pretty much all of the first film’s fans went to see it, in addition to people who watched the first film at a later time and became fans as well. Frozen 2 didn’t hit some kind of nerve with audiences, it’s success is so clearly fueled by the first film, which was clearly better received by both audiences, and especially critics.

    Anyway, it’s ridiculous for you to get so worked up over this. Like you said, Frozen 2 was a big financial success. It doesn’t need awards. Disney got what they wanted; money. It’s funny how you complain about popular shows (Fleabag, Maisel, Barry) winning awards against lesser watched program basically just The Good Place), but when a lesser watched movie wins rather than a film that many more people saw, suddenly that’s unforgivable.

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    Sequels hardly ever outdo the original, finance-wise, domestically or globally. I can’t remember off the top of my head other sequels that outdrew their inaugural films.

    Avengers: Endgame
    Furious 7
    Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2
    Incredibles 2
    The Fate of the Furious
    Iron Man 3
    Captain America: Civil War
    Spider-Man: Far From Home
    Transformers: Dark of the Moon
    The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
    The Dark Knight Rises
    Toy Story 4
    Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man’s Chest
    Despicable Me 3
    Finding Dory

    Frozen II ain’t special babe.

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    The best film of the five nominees is I Lost My Body, but the film is for adults, and the Oscars are well known for award this category with family films, but is there no doubt that is by far the best of the five. The other choice more realistic to pull of an upset is the Golden Globe winner Missing Link ( a great one too).

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    So Klaus is the favorite to upset then? I’m not super knowledgeable when it comes to this category, so thanks for the info.

    I’m still not sure if Toy Story 4 loses the Oscar, but I am predicting Klaus to win BAFTA. They don’t heavily favor Disney films (Lego Movie and Kubo both won there), and Klaus being Spanish gives it an advantage with International voters.

    I would still bet on Toy Story 4 winning the Oscar and BAFTA. Like the Oscars, every BAFTA winner for Best Animated Feature was also nominated for PGA, Golden Globe, Critics Choice and Annie. Toy Story 4 is the only BAFTA nominee that meets those credentials.

    Every time an upset happened at the Oscars (Happy Feet, Big Hero 6, Brave), they all had nominations at all 5 major precursors. All of Toy Story 4‘s competitors are missing key nominations.

    I wouldn’t say that BAFTA doesn’t favour Disney films. 8 of the 13 winners have been Disney or Pixar (Ratatouille, WALL-E, Up, Toy Story 3, Brave, Frozen, Inside Out, Coco). Plus, every one of the Pixar films that have won the Oscar have also won the BAFTA, and Toy Story 4 is a Pixar film.

    Big Hero 6 not winning BAFTA wasn’t unique to BAFTA. That year, PGA, Critics Choice and BAFTA went to The Lego Movie, which wasn’t nominated at the Oscars. The Golden Globes and the Dreamworks-biased Annie Awards went with How to Train Your Dragon 2.

    If Klaus wins BAFTA, I suppose it could be seen as most poised to upset Toy Story 4, but it would still be a long shot.

    I think Klaus winning the Annie should be taken with a grain of salt. Only 8 of the last 13 Oscar winners were Annie winners (Annie went with Cars over Happy Feet, Kung Fu Panda over WALL-E, How to Train Your Dragon over Toy Story 3, Wreck-It Ralph over Brave, and How to Train Your Dragon 2 over Big Hero 6). If there is any precursor that doesn’t favour Disney as much, I would look no further than the Annie Awards.

    In fact, Annie has the worst track record predicting the Oscars at the last 13 ceremonies:
    BAFTA matches Oscar = 11/13
    Golden Globes match Oscar = 10/13
    Critics Choice matches Oscar = 10/13
    Producers Guild matches Oscar = 9/10
    Annie matches Oscar = 8/13

    Another factor to consider that could really help Toy Story 4 is that Frozen II is not nominated at the Oscars (despite being nominated at BAFTA, PGA, Golden Globes, Annie and Critics Choice). If the Disney workers/supporters had been splitting their votes at these awards, votes of the Frozen II supporters could carry over to Toy Story 4.

    Don’t forget that the Oscars are not as open to voting for Netflix films to win just yet, so that could hurt Klaus‘s chances.

    I don’t think being an international film helps Klaus either. The only international film that has won was Spirited Away, often cited as one of the best animated films of all time. Plus, the other nominees that year were Lilo & Stitch, Ice Age, Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron and Treasure Planet, none of which had the universal acclaim that Spirited Away had.

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    Sequels hardly ever outdo the original, finance-wise, domestically or globally.

    That’s just blatantly false. 8 of the Top 10 highest grossing movies of all time are sequels or remakes. 9 of the Top 10 highest grossing movies of last year were sequels or remakes.

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    Best Picture: Soul
    Best Direction: The Midnight Sky
    Best Actor: Chadwick Boseman
    Best Actress: Viola Davis
    Best Supporting Actor: Delroy Lindo
    Best Supporting Actress: Amanda Seyfried
    Best Screenplay: Soul

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    Best Picture: Nomadland
    Best Direction: Nomadland
    Best Actor: Lakeith Stanfield
    Best Actress: Frances McDormand
    Best Supporting Actor: Daniel Kaluuya
    Best Supporting Actress: Dominique Fishback
    Best Screenplay: Judas and the Black Messiah

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    I would still bet on Toy Story 4 winning the Oscar and BAFTA. Like the Oscars, every BAFTA winner for Best Animated Feature was also nominated for PGA, Golden Globe, Critics Choice and Annie. Toy Story 4 is the only BAFTA nominee that meets those credentials. Every time an upset happened at the Oscars (Happy Feet, Big Hero 6, Brave), they all had nominations at all 5 major precursors. All of Toy Story 4‘s competitors are missing key nominations. I wouldn’t say that BAFTA doesn’t favour Disney films. 8 of the 13 winners have been Disney or Pixar (Ratatouille, WALL-E, Up, Toy Story 3, Brave, Frozen, Inside Out, Coco). Plus, every one of the Pixar films that have won the Oscar have also won the BAFTA, and Toy Story 4 is a Pixar film. Big Hero 6 not winning BAFTA wasn’t unique to BAFTA. That year, PGA, Critics Choice and BAFTA went to The Lego Movie, which wasn’t nominated at the Oscars. The Golden Globes and the Dreamworks-biased Annie Awards went with How to Train Your Dragon 2. If Klaus wins BAFTA, I suppose it could be seen as most poised to upset Toy Story 4, but it would still be a long shot. I think Klaus winning the Annie should be taken with a grain of salt. Only 8 of the last 13 Oscar winners were Annie winners (Annie went with Cars over Happy Feet, Kung Fu Panda over WALL-E, How to Train Your Dragon over Toy Story 3, Wreck-It Ralph over Brave, and How to Train Your Dragon 2 over Big Hero 6). If there is any precursor that doesn’t favour Disney as much, I would look no further than the Annie Awards. In fact, Annie has the worst track record predicting the Oscars at the last 13 ceremonies: BAFTA matches Oscar = 11/13 Golden Globes match Oscar = 10/13 Critics Choice matches Oscar = 10/13 Producers Guild matches Oscar = 9/10 Annie matches Oscar = 8/13 Another factor to consider that could really help Toy Story 4 is that Frozen II is not nominated at the Oscars (despite being nominated at BAFTA, PGA, Golden Globes, Annie and Critics Choice). If the Disney workers/supporters had been splitting their votes at these awards, votes of the Frozen II supporters could carry over to Toy Story 4. Don’t forget that the Oscars are not as open to voting for Netflix films to win just yet, so that could hurt Klaus‘s chances. I don’t think being an international film helps Klaus either. The only international film that has won was Spirited Away, often cited as one of the best animated films of all time. Plus, the other nominees that year were Lilo & Stitch, Ice Age, Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron and Treasure Planet, none of which had the universal acclaim that Spirited Away had.

    If Toy Story 4 wins BAFTA I’ll predict it for the Oscar’s. But if it doesn’t, I’m not predicting a film that only won the hack Critic’s Choice awards.

    John's Best of 2020

    Best Picture: Soul
    Best Direction: The Midnight Sky
    Best Actor: Chadwick Boseman
    Best Actress: Viola Davis
    Best Supporting Actor: Delroy Lindo
    Best Supporting Actress: Amanda Seyfried
    Best Screenplay: Soul

    John's Best of 2021

    Best Picture: Nomadland
    Best Direction: Nomadland
    Best Actor: Lakeith Stanfield
    Best Actress: Frances McDormand
    Best Supporting Actor: Daniel Kaluuya
    Best Supporting Actress: Dominique Fishback
    Best Screenplay: Judas and the Black Messiah

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