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    I went to an event with Cicely Tyson speaking. She said she turned down another Oscar vehicle right after she did Sounder that got the woman who did it a nomination. She said people always think that was a mistake since she’d have had two nominations if she had done it. It would have had to have been Claudine since that is the only film with a black lead to get a nomination in the seventies after Tyson’s.

    She said she found the character offensive. I’ve read the synopsis but it doesn’t sound that offensive of a film to me. Did you find it offensive?

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    I already read this story and always was curious to whom was Cicely referring. Thanks for sharing it! I hope that situation didn’t bring any feud with them.

    What I do know is she’s grateful for turning this movie down cause right after that she was offered Jane Pittman which became her most iconic role and gave her 2 Emmys. And if it aired on cinema mrs. tyson certainly would have her second nomination.

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    I enjoyed this film and its soundtrack. Well deserved nomination for Ms. Carol.

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    I recall her doing the talk show circuit & saying it took her three days to get ready for the Oscars!

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    Tried many times to watch this film on TCM but didn’t get a chance to. It’s near the the top of the must-see list now!

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    It’s interesting Tyson said that. I’m not American, so a lot of nuances escape me, but probably the whole welfare thing was the reason she turned down the role.

    Also, Claudine was such a messy movie, at least to me. Carroll elevated it a lot, but still – she was fifth, lucky to have been nominated (70s were a mess when it comes to Best Actress category).

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    Awesome movie. Diahann and James Earl Jones were AMAZING.

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    I already read this story and always was curious to whom was Cicely referring. Thanks for sharing it! I hope that situation didn’t bring any feud with them.

    What I do know is she’s grateful for turning this movie down cause right after that she was offered Jane Pittman which became her most iconic role and gave her 2 Emmys. And if it aired on cinema mrs. tyson certainly would have her second nomination.

    That was the gist of her story. She said she learned to not worry about the stuff she turned down or didn’t get because usually that made her available for something else and with this case though she didn’t get a second Oscar nomination she got Miss Pittman which was her most famous role as you said.

    I have to find a copy of Claudine to watch. Ava Duvarnay just presented it on TCM a few months ago I found so I guess she didn’t think it was an offensive depiction.

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    I thought she was amazing and deserved her Oscar nomination. I can see why she would find it offensive, perhaps it reenforced some common stereotypes about black Americans in an era when they were so rarely represented in the mainstream. But I thought the movie handled its subject matter in a very progressive manner, families on welfare are never portrayed as lazy but as victims of circumstance and the characters never default to stereotypical 70’s caricatures. Those scenes where Claudine and Charles talk about welfare were well ahead of their time. Really, this and Sounder were pretty important back then; they represented black characters outside of the vein of blaxploitation, how many had come to know them and paved the way for some of the more important works of black cinema in the 80’s and 90’s.

    Tyson mentioned that too—-that she had to fight to not take part in blaxploitation films even though they would have been good for her bank account.

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    I have a copy of “Claudine” on dvd and watch it every few years. Diahann Carroll absolutely deserved her Oscar nomination but Ellen Burstyn deserved the Oscar…with Gena Rowlands ranking second. I figure Faye Dunaway (Chinatown) was third followed by Valerie Perrine (Lenny). Ms. Carroll likely came fifth in the voting that year.

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    I have a copy of “Claudine” on dvd and watch it every few years. Diahann Carroll absolutely deserved her Oscar nomination but Ellen Burstyn deserved the Oscar…with Gena Rowlands ranking second. I figure Faye Dunaway (Chinatown) was third followed by Valerie Perrine (Lenny). Ms. Carroll likely came fifth in the voting that year.

    I agree with your ranking. That was a magical year for the Best Actress category.

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    For me it was a rather weird movie – felt a little bit like a failed sitcom pilot with some serious undertones; very uneven and confusing (I wasn’t too sure what the point was). However, I saw it probably 12 years ago, I might appreciate it more now. It might also have been a cultural issue as it felt like an American movie for an American audience and me as a European might not have been the target group.

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    Diahann Carroll deserved her Oscar nomination for Claudine.

    Now, I am curious as to what role Cicely Tyson is referring to that she turned down.

    My vote for Best Actress that year would have been Gena Rowlands

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    Diahann, was outstanding in the role, as was James!! Well deserved nomination. Soundtrack was superbly done, too!

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