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Anyone know how much screen time Timothy Hutton and Tatum O'Neal had?

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    They are always cited as biggest category frauds (prior to the recent Alicia Vikander, Rooney Moore (sic), Julia Roberts days).

    It’s funny I watched Raging Bull again last night and was stuck by how much screen time Joe Pesci had. You could almost argue he was a lead. Plus Michael O’Keefe had a bunch of screen time that year too.

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    I haven’t seen Paper Moon in 15 years, but I remember Tatum O’Neal having a lot of screen time. She pretty much co-leads with her father.

    Timothy Hutton is definitely category fraud IMO. The whole movie is about him. And he has the most screen time. If Hutton had competed in Lead Actor, and everyone else in Supporting, then I think both he and Sutherland would have been nominated in their respective categories, and maybe Mary Tyler Moore would have won. It’s still nice he has an Oscar, because it’s a great performance nonetheless.

    What Julia Roberts movie are you referring to? Steel Magnolias? That’s controversial? Shelby’s a big category, but I always felt it was a true ensemble, with, maybe, Sally Fields being the lone “leading actress.”

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    What Julia Roberts movie are you referring to? Steel Magnolias? That’s controversial? Shelby’s a big category, but I always felt it was a true ensemble, with, maybe, Sally Fields being the lone “leading actress.”

    I believe he’s refering to August: Osage County.

    Anyway here you have answers:
    https://letterboxd.com/cinematthew/list/best-supporting-actress-oscar-winning-performances-2/detail/
    https://letterboxd.com/cinematthew/list/best-supporting-actor-oscar-winning-performances-1/detail/

    Tatum O’Neal has almost 65 % of screentime and Hutton around 53 %. Also according to this guy Roberts has more screentime than Streep in August. (not much though, around 3 minutes)

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    Hutton has 65 minutes of screen time, 52 percent of the running time.

    O’Neal has 66 minutes of screen time, 63 percent of the running time.

    THE OSCAR 100 (#15-11): Charlie Chaplin, Timothy Hutton, Mary Tyler Moore, Ida Kaminska and Gregory Peck

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    If Hutton had competed in Lead Actor, and everyone else in Supporting, then I think both he and Sutherland would have been nominated in their respective categories, and maybe Mary Tyler Moore would have won.

    What about Judd Hirsch? He was also nominated over Sutherland in Supporting.

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    Yes I meant August: Osage County for Roberts.

    Sutherland was campaigned for lead. He should have got in over Jack Lemmon for Tribute.

    For some reason Hutton and O’Neal’s placement doesn’t bother me. They were both kids (or close to being a kid) and they are two of my all time favorite performances ever.

    Moore probably would have won for Supporting.

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    Oops. I always forget Julia Roberts was nominated for August. Sigh…yes, I think that is “category fraud” as well. But I’m still glad she was nominated that year. I’m glad that the movie got a couple nods. It’s underrated IMO.

    For some reason, O’Neal’s placement doesn’t bother me as much as Hutton’s. But, whatevs, great performances by the actors, and they got trophies for them so ees OK.

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    Moore handily would’ve triumphed in Supporting.

    THE OSCAR 100 (#15-11): Charlie Chaplin, Timothy Hutton, Mary Tyler Moore, Ida Kaminska and Gregory Peck

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    Oops. I always forget Julia Roberts was nominated for August. Sigh…yes, I think that is “category fraud” as well. But I’m still glad she was nominated that year. I’m glad that the movie got a couple nods. It’s underrated IMO.

    For some reason, O’Neal’s placement doesn’t bother me as much as Hutton’s. But, whatevs, great performances by the actors, and they got trophies for them so ees OK.

    I saw an interview with Joe Peschi where he says in regards to Hutton beating him that he really liked that film and performance and he eventually got an Oscar too so it all worked out. I agree. (and Pesci is better in Goodfellas than in Raging Bull)

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    I wonder about the amount of screen time of Hailee Stanfield in True Grit.

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    RobertPius
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    Were there any cases of category fraud pre-Tatum? I know Patricia Neal was fraud in reverse where a supporting role got lead for Hud.

    Any others stand out?

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    David Niven sure didn’t seem like a lead in SEPARATE TABLES. Ethan Hawke (TRAINING DAY) and Jamie Foxx (COLLATERAL) both had the less showy lead role. Maximillian Schell was part of an ensemble in JUDGMENT AT NUREMBERG, so he could have been supporting. Glenn Close was part of an ensemble in THE BIG CHILL, but she’s all through it, so she could have been lead. Robin Williams (DEAD POET’S SOCIETY) and Anthony Hopkins (THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS) were the stars of their movies, despite having only 30 minutes or less of screen time. George Clooney was the star of his segment of SYRIANA, doesn’t that make him a lead?

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    I don’t think Glenn Close of The Big Chill or George Clooney of Syriana could have been considered lead at all.

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    Shelley Winters may have triumphed down in Supporting for A Place in the Sun – alas, she insisted on a Lead campaign.

    THE OSCAR 100 (#15-11): Charlie Chaplin, Timothy Hutton, Mary Tyler Moore, Ida Kaminska and Gregory Peck

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    I think Eva Marie Saint could have gone lead for On The Waterfront,I´m not sure if the time difference with Marlo is that big.

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