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    Marcus222
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    The biopic is a huge one, seems like the easiest road to an Oscar and approval by the Academy is playing a well-known real-life person. DDL, Meryl Streep, Colin Firth, Helen Mirren, Forest Whitaker, Jamie Foxx, Sean Penn, Reese Witherspoon … And that’s just all in the past decade…

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    [quote=”Actriz”][quote=”SaraER”]Wow can you imagine what would happen if there was a movie about a barely functioning alcoholic prostitute with a disability who became famous for fighting crime???

    Quentin Tarantino or Lars von Trier needs to get on that N-O-W. [/quote]

    No, we need this person to first exist and then have a biopic.[/quote]

    This MUST happen!!! I’d love to see a Tarantino/LVT biopic of this person! LVT would just get Charlotte Gainsbourg to play her, Tarantino would HAVE to get Uma Thurman back to play this chick though, maybe she could finally get an Oscar… Then again if this character is to be played by anyone it has to be Glenn Close; if this can’t get her that Oscar I dunno what will! 

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    The biopic is a huge one, seems like the easiest road to an Oscar and approval by the Academy is playing a well-known real-life person. DDL, Meryl Streep, Colin Firth, Helen Mirren, Forest Whitaker, Jamie Foxx, Sean Penn, Reese Witherspoon … And that’s just all in the past decade…

    I agree, I don’t know if it’s an unfair advantage for an actor though, I mean a lot of it can be just imitation, whilst making a character from scratch can be a lot more challenging for an actor and be a lot riskier too as there’s a chance people won’t be able to connect with them. I’d love to see less of a bias for biopics, I mean personally I thought Joaquin Phoenix gave one of the best  performances of the 21st century so far in The Master and made it all from scratch! And he lost to DDL, who was brilliant as per usual but his imitation is less of a feat surely isn’t it?

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     I have had the misfortune of seeing Only God Knows and was in awe of how terrible KST is in the film but to be fair everything else about the film is awful so she is just blending in so to speak. Her performance felt like a bad Barbara Streisand drag act with a very potty mouth. For his part, the normally reliable Ryan Gosling is simply catatonic through the whole film.

    The Academy won’t go anywhere near OGK and with good reason. They regulated the far superior Drive to a minor technical nomination so OGK stands no hope.

    Really? Is it that bad. From what I heard about it I didn’t think it’d get any other nominations but I thought she could be a standout and surprise nominee, but is she that awful? She looked good in the trailers, or is that all she does throughout the film and it gets tedious and repetitive? Because I can imagine it’d run pretty thin..  

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    Suffering wives/husbands:
    – Marcia Gay Harden, Pollock
    – Halle Berry, Monster’s Ball
    – Jennifer Connelly, A beautiful mind
    – Jim Broadbent, Iris
    – Michelle Williams, Brokeback Mountain
    – Shohreh Aghdashloo, House of Sand and Fog
    – Marcia Gay Harden, Mystic River
    – Laura Linney, Kinsey
    – Sophie Okonedo, Hotel Rwanda
    – Helena Bonham Carter, The King’s Speech
    – Amy Adams, The Master
    – Sally Field, Lincoln
    – Joan Allen, Nixon
    – Miranda Richardson, Damage

    And Beatrice Straight for “Network” more than any of them (I don’t remember Helena Bonham Carter suffering all that much on “The King’s Speech”, she wasn’t more than worried). The pattern didn’t help Marion Cotillard with “Nine” though as votes went to Penelope Cruz playing the mistress instead. 

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    Sure, the Suffering Wife/Husband list goes on and on… I just took the most recent names…

    Helena Bonham Carter was a suffering wife. Believe it or not, she was there with her husband, encouraging him to go to therapy. The best suffering wife or husband is also the MOST SUPPORTIVE. And that’s what Helena Bonham Carter does. She gets involved in the conflict, in the plot, as the help for the leading character, not as the mentor. We can also add the Suffering mother/father (Brenda Fricker in My left foot, for example). The suffering wive has increased in the last years in a BRUTAL number of performances.

    FULL LIST, in my opinion:

    SUFFERING HUSBAND
    1977 – Jason Robards, Julia
    1979 – Frederic Forrest, The Rose
    2001 – Jim Broadbent, Iris

    SUFFERING WIFE
    1940 – Jane Darwell, The Grapes of Warth
    1941 – Mary Astor, The Great Lie
    1951 – Kim Hunter, A streetcar named desire
    1951 – Mildred Dunnock, Death of a salesman
    1954 – Dorothy Malone, Written on the wind
    1971 – Cloris Leachman, The Last Picture Show
    1976 – Beatrice Straight, Network
    1978 – Geraldine Page, Interiors
    1979 – Meryl Streep, Kramer versus Kramer
    1980 – Cathy Moriarty, Raging Bull
    1988 – Frances McDormand, Mississippi Burning
    1990 – Lorraine Bracco, Goodfellas
    1992 – Judy Davis, Husbands and wives
    1992 – Miranda Richardson, Damage
    1994 – Helen Mirren, The Madness of King George
    1995 – Joan Allen, Nixon
    1995 – Kathleen Quinlan, Apollo 13
    1996 – Joan Allen, The Crucible
    1997 – Joan Cusack, In and Out
    2000 – Marcia Gay Harden, Pollock
    2001 – Jennifer Connelly, A beautiful mind
    2001 – Marisa Tomei, In the bedroom
    2002 – Julianne Moore, The Hours
    2002 – Julianne Moore, Far From Heaven
    2003 – Shohreh Aghdashloo, House of sand and fog
    2003 – Marcia Gay Harden, Mystic River
    2004 – Laura Linney, Kinsey
    2004 – Sophie Okonedo, Hotel Rwanda
    2005 – Michelle Williams, Brokeback Mountain
    2008 – Penelope Cruz, Vicky Cristina Barcelona
    2010 – Helena Bonham Carter, The King’s Speech
    2012 – Sally Field, Lincoln
    2012 – Amy Adams, The Master

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    I wouldn’t exactly place Amy Adams in The Master as a suffering wife.

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    Julia Roberts, Erin Brockovich
    Nicole Kidman, The Hours
    Charlize Theron, Monster
    Reese Witherspoon, Walk the Line
    Helen Mirren, The Queen
    Marion Cotillard, La Vie en Rose
    Sandra Bullock, The Blind Side
    Meryl Streep, The Iron Lady

    8 out of 13 winners in lead actress of the 00’s were real people, that’s something

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    And in the years of Swank and Portman’s win, there weren’t any real women being portrayed.

    Halle Berry beated Iris Murdoch (Dench), Winslet beated Christine Collins (Jolie, not a real fame woman, but still real) and Lawrence beated Maria Bennett (Watts, same with Jolie).

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    [quote=”24Emmy”][quote=”Actriz”][quote=”SaraER”]Wow can you imagine what would happen if there was a movie about a barely functioning alcoholic prostitute with a disability who became famous for fighting crime???

    Quentin Tarantino or Lars von Trier needs to get on that N-O-W. [/quote]

    No, we need this person to first exist and then have a biopic.[/quote]

    This MUST happen!!! I’d love to see a Tarantino/LVT biopic of this person! LVT would just get Charlotte Gainsbourg to play her, Tarantino would HAVE to get Uma Thurman back to play this chick though, maybe she could finally get an Oscar… Then again if this character is to be played by anyone it has to be Glenn Close; if this can’t get her that Oscar I dunno what will! [/quote]

    Anybody know any barely functioning alcholic prostitutes with a disability? 😉

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    Seabel… That list is fucking crazy!!! What is it with the suffering wives? They seem to snatch all the oscar noms and wins! I guess you could make some sexist commentary on the number of suffering husbands compared to the number of suffering wives.

    I think Michelle Williams (would her performance in Blue Valentine count too?) in Brokeback Mountain is the epitome of the suffering spouse though! The scene where she catches her husband kissing Gyllenhaal, the face she pulls just breaks my heart every time I watch it!

    But yeah msnowden1 does have a point. Amy Adams’ character in The Master was more the secret mastermind pulling the strings behind her husband I thought. But I guess anyone who masturbates Philip Seymour Hoffman over a sink is suffering enough.

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     8 out of 13 winners in lead actress of the 00’s were real people, that’s something

    And to be honest, Natalie Portman and at a push Jennifer Lawrence character’s were the only two who played characters that seem fictional. Because Swank and Winslet’s characters could easily be real life people too, if you put the classic “Based on a true story” at the end of MDB or The Reader you could easily believe that their characters were real people too.

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    I will add Nuns. (Only one or two wins though)

    Loretta Young – Come to my stable
    Celeste Holm – Come to my stable
    Deborah Kerr –  Heaven Knows, Mr Allison
    Ingrid Bergman – The Bells of Santa MAria
    Audrey Hepburn – The nun story
    Jennifer Jones – The Song of Bernadette (win)
    Gladys Cooper – The Song of Bernadette 
    Meryl Streep – Doubt
    Amy Adams – Doubt 
    Peggy Wood – The Sound of Music
    Julie Andrews – The Sound of Music (almost a nun)
    Meg Tilly – Agnes of God
    Anne Bancroft – Agnes of God
    Susan Sarandon – Dead Man Walking (Win) 

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    Sure, the Suffering Wife/Husband list goes on and on… I just took the most recent names…

    Helena Bonham Carter was a suffering wife. Believe it or not, she was there with her husband, encouraging him to go to therapy. The best suffering wife or husband is also the MOST SUPPORTIVE. And that’s what Helena Bonham Carter does. She gets involved in the conflict, in the plot, as the help for the leading character, not as the mentor. We can also add the Suffering mother/father (Brenda Fricker in My left foot, for example). The suffering wive has increased in the last years in a BRUTAL number of performances.

    FULL LIST, in my opinion:

    SUFFERING HUSBAND
    1977 – Jason Robards, Julia
    1979 – Frederic Forrest, The Rose
    2001 – Jim Broadbent, Iris

    SUFFERING WIFE
    1940 – Jane Darwell, The Grapes of Warth
    1941 – Mary Astor, The Great Lie
    1951 – Kim Hunter, A streetcar named desire
    1951 – Mildred Dunnock, Death of a salesman
    1954 – Dorothy Malone, Written on the wind
    1971 – Cloris Leachman, The Last Picture Show
    1976 – Beatrice Straight, Network
    1978 – Geraldine Page, Interiors
    1979 – Meryl Streep, Kramer versus Kramer
    1980 – Cathy Moriarty, Raging Bull
    1988 – Frances McDormand, Mississippi Burning
    1990 – Lorraine Bracco, Goodfellas
    1992 – Judy Davis, Husbands and wives
    1992 – Miranda Richardson, Damage
    1994 – Helen Mirren, The Madness of King George
    1995 – Joan Allen, Nixon
    1995 – Kathleen Quinlan, Apollo 13
    1996 – Joan Allen, The Crucible
    1997 – Joan Cusack, In and Out
    2000 – Marcia Gay Harden, Pollock
    2001 – Jennifer Connelly, A beautiful mind
    2001 – Marisa Tomei, In the bedroom
    2002 – Julianne Moore, The Hours
    2002 – Julianne Moore, Far From Heaven
    2003 – Shohreh Aghdashloo, House of sand and fog
    2003 – Marcia Gay Harden, Mystic River
    2004 – Laura Linney, Kinsey
    2004 – Sophie Okonedo, Hotel Rwanda
    2005 – Michelle Williams, Brokeback Mountain
    2008 – Penelope Cruz, Vicky Cristina Barcelona
    2010 – Helena Bonham Carter, The King’s Speech
    2012 – Sally Field, Lincoln
    2012 – Amy Adams, The Master

    I will add in this list

    Sissy Spacek in “Missing” 

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    I think Michelle Williams (would her performance in Blue Valentine count too?) in Brokeback Mountain is the epitome of the suffering spouse though! The scene where she catches her husband kissing Gyllenhaal, the face she pulls just breaks my heart every time I watch it!

    It breaks my heart every time, too!!!!!

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